Another Dallas Turner Thread

Keep hoping he starts to show something and we really need him to step up tomorrow, so hopefully tomorrow is the day. The Doleman stats gives some hope.

I don't think it is scheme as Greenard and Van Ginkel have thrived in same system, but just a lack of physicality which is why these tackles take him out so easily. He looks smallish and not very strong to me. Verse looks and plays like a beast, he is the type of player who takes over a game, Turner just doesn't seem to have it.

The problem with Turner is that when you give up a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th for a player, he needs to be an immediate impact player. Outside of QB, that is not a development pick, he has to come in and be someone like a Verse or Quinyon Mitchell, both of who we could have taken instead. We do not have time with all that draft capital to wait for him to develop or can afford to get average production.

Turner would definitely be better served to be in the Greenard role than the Van Ginkel role. I see improvement at the POA. He’s been a hair away several times from making a huge splash play(Nearly had a safety vs the Bengals). Still very young.

JustInTime wrote:
Turner would definitely be better served to be in the Greenard role than the Van Ginkel role. I see improvement at the POA. He’s been a hair away several times from making a huge splash play(Nearly had a safety vs the Bengals). Still very young.

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at the bold - do you? I dont but I trust your opinion better than mine...

Explain to me the difference in roles between Greenard and Gink? Is Greenard mostly hand in the dirt where as Gink also covers the flat or downfield pass?

purplefaithful wrote:

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at the bold - do you? I dont but I trust your opinion better than mine...

Explain to me the difference in roles between Greenard and Gink? Is Greenard mostly hand in the dirt where as Gink also covers the flat or downfield pass?

Yes, I definitely see improvement at POA. Gap integrity is better and he’s doing a better job of holding the edge. It remains a work in progress but I see improvement. 

Greenard drops back by design about 15% of the snaps. Ginks position calls for about 30% of the time to be in coverage. Ginks was near the top in havoc plays last year so the drop off is noticeable. Had he hung on to that ball vs Detroit, he’d probably would’ve had several votes for DPOY.

I think there's been some improvement and getting some snaps with the injuries we've had is beneficial. To me the big difference is he was unleashed at Bama in more of an attack position, to where in Minnesota under Flores he is being asked to do a lot more, dropping into coverage, etc. I think he is still thinking too much out there and not completely comfortable, which is hindering his ability to play at full speed. But again, he's only 22 years old. It's a case of one of the youngest players in the league trying to learn his position in a complex defense where he has two veteran players in front of him that take most of the starting reps. The problem is I don't know if any of that is ever going to change so do you use Turner as trade bait at the deadline to bring in someone that helps you win now? I think that could be a consideration

Dallas Turner is just the new Anthony Barr. I wrote about him this week, detailing the disconnect between watching live and what the all-22 film shows.

Turner hasn't just been solid, he's been really good 🔗⬇️ https://t.co/1ArCXfAgMl

— Tyler Forness (@TheRealForno) October 18, 2025

I dont think Zimsu did Barr any favors they way they used him over the years either....

Its a good point Zulgad makes...Fans are thinking about the capital it took to get Turner vs the lack of splash plays to-date.

What’s Micah Parsons stats since joining The Pack? Maybe we should move on from what we gave up to draft him and focus on if he is doing what is asked of him.

JR44 wrote:
Keep hoping he starts to show something and we really need him to step up tomorrow, so hopefully tomorrow is the day.  The Doleman stats gives some hope.

I don't think it is scheme as Greenard and Van Ginkel have thrived in same system, but just a lack of physicality which is why these tackles take him out so easily.  He looks smallish and not very strong to me.  Verse looks and plays like a beast, he is the type of player who takes over a game, Turner just doesn't seem to have it. 

The problem with Turner is that when you give up a 1st, 3rd, 4th and 5th for a player, he needs to be an immediate impact player.  Outside of QB, that is not a development pick, he has to come in and be someone like a Verse or Quinyon Mitchell, both of who we could have taken instead. We do not have time with all that draft capital to wait for him to develop or can afford to get average production.

^ Bottom line! He isn't a bust. He's just another draft choice miss. He was over drafted. Wilfs like to gamble on the people they hire and hiring a stockbroker hasn't paid off so far.
I think Turner can become a good player. But he appears to be too small and his speed isn't making up for that yet.

StickierBuns wrote:

If you wanted to illustrate how bad his drafting has been you'd have to show him in coaching/PE shorts from the 70s/80s.

StickierBuns wrote:

Funny thing is, if you don’t get the HC right the rest doesn’t matter.

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StickierBuns wrote:

A big plus for KAM.....I do love O'Connell. Think he's an excellent tactician and modern NFL HC. But his constant Coachspeak does grate on me lately....nitpicky I suppose.

Yah, thats a 1st world problem in the fan world of the NFL.

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A big plus for KAM.....I do love O'Connell. Think he's an excellent tactician and modern NFL HC. But his constant Coachspeak does grate on me lately....nitpicky I suppose.

Wrote about Dallas Turner after going through the tape of him vs. Lane Johnson… https://t.co/EbcbEoJz6I pic.twitter.com/ykIRy6uTFX

— Alec Lewis (@alec_lewis) October 22, 2025

Other than not understanding what sunk costs are, pretty good article. He’s getting there. There’s growth and you see flashes. BFlo does him no favors in how he’s deployed, but he’s a work in progress.

StickierBuns wrote:

A big plus for KAM.....I do love O'Connell. Think he's an excellent tactician and modern NFL HC. But his constant Coachspeak does grate on me lately....nitpicky I suppose.

It's just because we're frustrated about the McCarthy situation.

But that should be settled next week.

Turner, a 2024 first-round pick, was expected to take on an increased role in his second season with the Vikings, but his responsibilities have seen an even greater uptick as veteran outside linebacker Andrew Van Ginkel has missed five games because of a concussion and neck injury.

Through six games, Turner has played 271 snaps, just 39 shy of his 2024 season total. With his snap counts this season ranging from 29 to 65 and Van Ginkel out again, it’s possible Turner pushes past his rookie season snap total against the Chargers.

He has started five straight games and has 22 tackles, 1½ sacks, three tackles for loss and three quarterback hurries. His tackle total already surpasses 2024, and he’s well within reach of both his sack total (three) and QB hurry total (five).

Vikings coach Kevin O’Connell acknowledged this week that Turner is being asked “to do quite a bit, especially in our emphasis of trying to stop the run.”

So, use PFF when it suits a narrative.

PFF has a cult following when it doesn’t suit a narrative.

Gotcha 

:dodgy:

StickierBuns wrote:

lol, wait.....there's an alternative 'narrative' to Dallas Turner sucks? 

Well at least he showed up with a personal foul and jumping offsides.

purplefaithful wrote:
After a disappointing rookie season, through 5 games in 2025 Turner has posted: 8 solo tackles 1 sack 0 forced fumbles He also has 3.5 tackles for loss and 1 interception

When I watch the kid in isolation, he's pretty much out of the play once the OT gets their hands on him...But it also makes me wonder if BFlo is using the kid right or not? 

I look back at Doleman:

1985: 0 sacks
1986: 3 sacks
1987: 11 sacks
1988: 8 sacks
1989: 21 sacks

If memory serves me right, Doleman was asked to play LB his first 2 years? It wasnt till 87 when he was moved to DE in the 4/3 scheme. 

Again I ask, is BFlo using Turner correctly??? That said, I dont think he's the guy for a 3/4 DE...I'm not sure he's an ILB type/size?

Its way too early to call him a bust, but he is (for me at least) a disappointment.

Pretend it’s the middle of 1986… you guys bagging Doleman too? 

It typically takes a beat with Edge guys, especially with someone as young as Turner. 

As previously mentioned, Turner isn’t being used to his strengths sitting in the Ginks role. Traits are all there, it’s just going to take a bit until he isn’t thinking as much and is anticipating and reacting.