Danny Dimes: KOC is 'next level' on preparation

MaroonBells wrote:
Given the billion dollar industry and how much is at stake it still baffles me that there are teams who don't do everything in their power to prepare QBs. The solo film watching for Caleb Williams was shocking to me. And if your QB prep isn't next level, find out what Minnesota does and just copy that. I recently watched something on Baker Mayfield. He really wasn't that bad in Cleveland...or Carolina. Carolina actually had Baker Mayfield AND Sam Darnold at the same time and decided neither was good enough. Daniel Jones leads the NFL in QBR, Darnold is second.  I just think there are teams in the NFL who don't have a clue what they're doing when it comes to developing QBs.

When talents like Daniel Jones and Sam Darnold are playing well, they just look the way a NFL QB should look as far as passing a football. Big, talented guys with great arms. They have touch, they layer, etc. Now there's much more to the position than that and both of those guys obviously have had serious issues in their pasts with much to prove in crunch time moving forward, but you can admire their skills when on. I never thought Mayfield was ever anywhere close to being as bad as he was being portrayed by the media back in the day and he's proven that he belongs.  Having said that, I don't think you can take any and every QB coming into the league and make them stars with great coaching. There are personal, unique intangibles that will help or hinder them even in the best circumstances. But no doubt some teams train QBs better than others.

AGRforever wrote:
Agree.  At some point he needs to put up or shut up.  If by the end of the year we're not seeing improvement then you go into the off season looking for a new idea.

So for the 'lets bail on JJ after one season of starting' brigade, let me show you something: [list] [*]1,749 passing yards, 9 touchdowns, and 18 interceptions, with a 52.9% completion percentage on 293 attempts. He also had a 0-11 record as a starter in Year 1. Who is it? [*]Played in 9 games, completing 95 passes for 1,043 yards, 6 touchdowns, and 9 interceptions, with a passer rating of 55.4. He had a 2-7 record as a starter in his first year. Who is it? [*]Recorded a career-low 56.7% completion percentage and a league-leading 28 interceptions his rookie season. Who is it? [*]Started seven games his rookie year, completing 112 of 205 passes for 1,089 yards, 5 touchdowns, and 7 interceptions, went 0-7 in those games.  [/list] This are just a few stats. Those QBs in order were Troy Aikman, Eli Manning, Peyton Manning, and Jared Goff. Maybe its JMO, but I sincerely doubt that Minnesota is going to bail on JJM after one year of starting and draft a QB. I'm not saying you have to believe in the kid, but he's going to get a shot with KOC. lol, he's played a whopping 2 games.

medaille wrote:
I don’t think that means giving up on JJM, as I believe in competition rather than quitting on a guy early.  I’d much rather have two guys in the pipeline than none.

Pipeline Guy #2: [img]https://ds-images.bolavip.com/news/image?src=https://images.bolavip.com/webp/en/1200_740/BUS_20251005_BUS_503630_max-brosmer.webp&width=1200&height=740[/img]

medaille wrote:
Also they might not have the desire once they get a fat bank account. [hr] Could be.

The main reason you can't keep drafting QBs under your theory is there's only so many snaps: QB1 gets the majority, QB2 much less and QB3 basically none. And during the regular season, QB1 is all the staff focuses on. JJ got an hour of KOC's time per week last year during the regular season, he's trying to win games with QB1 (Darnold in this case). You'd never see what you have.

greediron wrote:
So much this.  His prep is A+ but his game day play calling is C- most of the time.  As I said when JJ went down, if Carson can come in and add some veteran perspective to the offense, get KOC to work some short game into the calls, it will be a win for JJ.  Hopefully JJ sees this as well as KOC. [hr] It isn't just QB, but that intelligence, work ethic and drive are really exposed at the QB position.

I see and read the complaints on here from fans about KOC's playcalling and it just doesn't seem to align with his 37-19 regular season record and being tied for 5th in the NFL for winning percentage at .661. Then I'll read that BFlo has bailed out KOC in that regard, but I've read the last few weeks how 'gimmicky' the D is and some fans actually complaining about the 'run' defense and other nitpicking. I mean, lol, which is it? Then I post a stat about how the O-line has been a complete shambles this season yet a 3-2 record and crickets. And this thread about how a guy who's knocking it out of the park (Danny Dimes) gives him straight up cred about not only prep but game planning. KOC isn't beyond reproach, nobody is, but its seems online he just gets this strange criticism about how he calls a game. IMO its a bigtime case of some fans being too close to the trees to see the forest. When plays don't work or when they work, its usually more about execution than what the actual play is that's been called. You don't get to a .661 winning percentage by being a bad play caller....you just don't. Maybe fans are venting, which we all do, but it seems uncalled for or at least misguided in the big picture.

greediron wrote:
It isn't that hard to watch the game an wonder where the slants and quick passes were.  Last week (I didn't get to watch that game) with the k-mart o-line, KOC finally called some short quick passes and it worked.

...but the impactful passes were the deeper ones, especially to Jefferson. That's the offense: a good running attack and chunk plays in the passing game. One of the biggest differences in the football game was the halfback TD pass from Akers to Oliver, so IMO the slants and quick passes really didn't make a huge difference in winning.

greediron wrote:
But if you don't keep the offense on the field, those deep shots don't happen.  Like in Chicago the first week.  The offense needs a rhythm, needs to keep moving the chains.  Then there are chances at the deep shots.

I don't think that's how KOC thinks....he thinks anytime is a good time to take a shot because it keeps a D on its toes. But when protection is shit like it was against Chicago and JJ making some mistakes in his first game, nothing seems to be that good. But I do hear you about throwing the ball a bit quicker in some instances.

Riphawkins wrote:
Danny Dimes was drafted in 2019, Sam Darnold was drafted in 2018. KOC made them better, but they were also older with a ton of starts in the NFL.  To say JJM has to put up or shut up by the end of the year after starting 2 games is a bit wild. Can QB’s actually develop before giving up on them with less than a full year of starts?

I don't get it, but I think message boards always have a percentage of fans ready pounce on things. Or just throw their hands up quickly on something. The Vikings haven't developed a young QB in a long time and they just happen to have the youngest guy around (22 years old). He's played 2 games. If you take a good look around the NFL, you see some guys regressing that looked really good a year or two ago. There's ebbs and flows. And as you've pointed out, other teams gave up too early on some guys and that is evident now with the players you name. KOC is going to give JJ every opportunity and that will take more than a year for sure to figure out.

purplefaithful wrote:
WTF? Two games is plenty!

lol. "Its a game too much if you ask me, dammit!"  [img]https://media.tenor.com/Kj6sfY0YLNwAAAAM/grumpy-ew.gif[/img]

MaroonBells wrote:
Yeah, sometimes it can be a long, frustrating process, and I'm not looking forward to that roller coaster. I'm sure all hoped he would be Jayden Daniels or Joe Burrow out of the gate. And he still could have that kind of season with a healthy offensive line in front of him. But it's more likely the JJ question will not be fully answered by the end of the season. But we have to remember, it was like that with most QBs, including reigning MVP Josh Allen, Drew Brees, Jared Goff, et all. We just don't tend to remember.

Agreed. And the thing I said I loved about JJM is right there regardless: arm, athletic, competitive and the best intangibles. The best. I said this kid would change the narrative for the Minnesota Vikings and that's the long game of it. Were some not expecting trials and tribulations? It couldn't be a true Viking's renaissance without the suffering and doubt. Being the resident Fan Boy of JJ, even I said it would be an up and down first year. I knew that it would.  But good things come to those that wait in this particular scenario. I'm sure the Buffalo brass are very happy they did: [img]https://athlonsports.com/.image/w_3840,q_auto:good,c_limit/MjY6MDAwMDAwMDAwNzM2Njg0/nfl-miami-dolphins-at-buffalo-bills-736684.jpg[/img]