New offenses for rookie QBs in Year 2/TC updates
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Both Drake Maye and Caleb Williams have to learn new offenses from their rookie years, that will take some time and probably curb a smidge of development for the sake of learning a new coordinator and offense. Its very early, but I'm reading that Williams is really struggling. While I do feel both teams made the right call in getting new head coaches, this is the kind of stuff that hurts young QBs. Patience is required and fans aren't wired that way today and the media doesn't care about that, the more drama they create, the more engagement they get. Twitter is the Wild West now where outright lying is the norm, which doesn't help when dealing with naive or unsophisticated fans online.
I still stand by my opinion that Nix, McCarthy and Penix will turn out in the aggregate to be better NFL QBs than Williams, Daniels and Maye. This is my long term projection of the first 3 QBs drafted compared to the next 3 in round one. Nix's ceiling is a little higher than I originally thought and he spent some time with Drew Brees this summer. They are calling next year's QB class incoming as very good, so we'll see how that shakes out next Spring as well. There's going to be a TON of comparisons by the national media postgame from the MNF affair between Minnesota and Chicago as far as the QBs go in that first game. Pressure for both guys, but that's life in the NFL.
Neat story on JJ's progress, the defense looks sharp and some surprising contributors this season on D: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6517609/2025/07/28/vikings-training-camp-jj-mccarthy-takeaways/
Here's the pass I mentioned yesterday: middle of the field heater only the WRer can get, JJ plants and torques with that underrated fast release, right on the hands. He's bigger from the waist down this year, using that as a throwing platform like the good ones do.
https://x.com/i/status/1948794049651245433
I still stand by my opinion that Nix, McCarthy and Penix will turn out in the aggregate to be better NFL QBs than Williams, Daniels and Maye. This is my long term projection of the first 3 QBs drafted compared to the next 3 in round one. Nix's ceiling is a little higher than I originally thought and he spent some time with Drew Brees this summer. They are calling next year's QB class incoming as very good, so we'll see how that shakes out next Spring as well. There's going to be a TON of comparisons by the national media postgame from the MNF affair between Minnesota and Chicago as far as the QBs go in that first game. Pressure for both guys, but that's life in the NFL.
Neat story on JJ's progress, the defense looks sharp and some surprising contributors this season on D: https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/6517609/2025/07/28/vikings-training-camp-jj-mccarthy-takeaways/
Here's the pass I mentioned yesterday: middle of the field heater only the WRer can get, JJ plants and torques with that underrated fast release, right on the hands. He's bigger from the waist down this year, using that as a throwing platform like the good ones do.
https://x.com/i/status/1948794049651245433
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Jul 28, 4:46 AM
Jul 28, 2025 4:46 AM
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purplefaithful wrote:
I'm just glad to be taking part in this QB derby.
Pads go on today, time for big-boy ball.
That's how I feel: glad Minnesota snagged one from that class.
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MaroonBells wrote:
By the way, and not that this matters, but this throw was last year. You can see Johnny Mundt in the background and they're also in pads, which they haven't done yet. That Cam guy is a nuisance poster. I finally just blocked him.
lol, thanks for the correction man. JFC. I'm going to do the same, block Cam. Its so aggravating all the bullshit on Twitter. Dov Kleiman is another asshole poster stirring shit up. :dodgy:
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MaroonBells wrote:
It's not an awesome thing to start the season against a division rival, in prime time, in their house, but getting Caleb Williams early might be a lot of fun. If he's struggling to get the new offense, just wait til he sees what Brian Flores has in store for him.
Ben Johnson on Caleb Williams...
Sometimes there's multiple calls. You know, there's shifts, there's motions, there's a lot more going on mentally than probably there's ever been for him. And so at some point, this thing will start slowing down, and he's going to be able to catch up and his physical ability will take over from there. But right now, because mentally it is what it is, he's playing a little bit slower than what he's capable of.
It may turn out that Johnson is going to ask or require more from Caleb than he's capable of providing consistently. Jared Goff is very cerebral and Williams 'aint no' Goff. Caleb may turn out to not work with a Ben Johnson offense. Not sure he's got the processor for it.
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MaroonBells wrote:
Dan Orlovsky on Caleb Williams...
"It is fixable, but Chicago fans, it is not going to happen in September. He has to erase a decade worth of playing a certain style of football and rebuild the habits....It is going to take, candidly, years."
He's not going to get years. But I agree with Dan's sentiment and mentioned it earlier in this thread. Ben Johnson's offense is meant for a veteran QB or a rookie QB to sit for a year to absorb, because most college QBs RARELY do that stuff. He also has to unlearn what he learned last year. This is a dicey situation because Caleb was mostly hero ball in college. Hey Tennessee: better keep it simple for Cam Ward.
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