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Get Thee To Jacksonville

JustInTime
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Reuniting with Liam Coen is about the only thing that keeps him in the NFL long term. Or KO

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#1 · May 30, 3:23 PM
JustInTime
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Nature vs nurture. 

We just watched Sam Darnold flourish under KO. Who’s to say the same type transformation wouldn’t happen here. Levis looked like a slightly smaller Josh Allen under Coen at Kentucky his junior year. I wouldn’t dismiss him with the right coach.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#2 · May 31, 5:14 AM
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StickierBuns wrote:

Its always possible, I suppose, but I think what KOC pulled off with Darnold was very specific and extremely rare. We joke about KOC University but I don't think he can take just anyone and get the same Darnold-type results with a reject. I think that the candidate for a 2.0 with KOC would need very specific traits both mentally and physically. KOC mentioned several times that he had liked Darnold for years. I just wonder if Levis is too quirky mentally for a 2.0 upgrade with KOC....might not be the fit. I personally don't take a ton of credence from what a dude did in college, because systems create flashy stats or faux success sometimes. But there definitely are a few things you can glean from college for sure. 

Levis's physical abilities is going to give him an opportunity for a 2.0 possible upgrade with some team, I have no doubt about that. JMO but I don't see it with him.

With KOC is it rare? Look at Dobbs. 0-10 as a starter and he goes 2-2 with us. How about Cousins? W/L record before and after KOC. The NFL has done a piss poor job maximizing QBs. KOC and guys like Coen might be the key. If we see Trevor Lawrence put up numbers commensurate with his talent we might be on to something.

“Hell is empty and all the devils are here”

Shakespeare 

#3 · May 31, 5:31 AM
comet52
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StickierBuns wrote:

Its always possible, I suppose, but I think what KOC pulled off with Darnold was very specific and extremely rare. We joke about KOC University but I don't think he can take just anyone and get the same Darnold-type results with a reject. I think that the candidate for a 2.0 with KOC would need very specific traits both mentally and physically. KOC mentioned several times that he had liked Darnold for years. I just wonder if Levis is too quirky mentally for a 2.0 upgrade with KOC....might not be the fit. I personally don't take a ton of credence from what a dude did in college, because systems create flashy stats or faux success sometimes. But there definitely are a few things you can glean from college for sure. 

Levis's physical abilities is going to give him an opportunity for a 2.0 possible upgrade with some team, I have no doubt about that. JMO but I don't see it with him.

They passed on drafting Levis which no doubt was a KOC call. So I don't think he'd be a candidate for the KOC QB retraining deal.

#4 · May 31, 8:43 AM
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