OT: Tough Guys

MaroonBells wrote:
Spent 6 hours in Urgent Care yesterday with my son after he was checked hard under the ribs in a lacrosse game.

When the injury occurred his coach told him to “man up” and get back in there. And of course he did. There was never any doubt about that. The kid would walk through fire to keep playing. He’s been pissing blood ever since.

Urgent care sent us to a trauma center, which is where he spent the night, lying in a bed with what they described as “potentially life threatening” bleeding of the liver. Surgery was only ruled out this morning.

It’s no longer life threatening. He’ll be going home this afternoon. But he’s out for the season.

Hey, if you’re a coach and one of your kids gets hurt, take them out of the fucking game and save the “man up” bullshit for your fake-tough online profile.

Sending best MB...Glad he ok!!

Absolutely destroy that coach's existence...legally, socially, whatever works.

Also, send him the hospital bill.

(Just a suggestion)

Sorry to hear that, I can just imagine what you have been going through, glad to hear he is doing okay, also hope you are doing okay as well.

Lacrosse is no joke. We're friends with a kid who is playing D2 and had his shoulder tore apart. He'll never be quite the same after surgery.

MaroonBells wrote:
Spent 6 hours in Urgent Care yesterday with my son after he was checked hard under the ribs in a lacrosse game.

When the injury occurred his coach told him to “man up” and get back in there. And of course he did. There was never any doubt about that. The kid would walk through fire to keep playing. He’s been pissing blood ever since.

Urgent care sent us to a trauma center, which is where he spent the night, lying in a bed with what they described as “potentially life threatening” bleeding of the liver. Surgery was only ruled out this morning.

It’s no longer life threatening. He’ll be going home this afternoon. But he’s out for the season.

Hey, if you’re a coach and one of your kids gets hurt, take them out of the fucking game and save the “man up” bullshit for your fake-tough online profile.

sorry to hear about your son.  Is this a school related league or rec?  If it is school related I think a talk with the schools AD and your local school board rep are certainly in order here.  Coaching has changed immensely over the last 25 years and that type of response to an injured player really puts the associated school or town in a bad position legally IMO.  its one thing to sign a waiver, but the coaches are supposed to be watching for injuries and holding kids out when there is an obvious sign of something potentially more severe.

JimmyinSD wrote:

sorry to hear about your son.  Is this a school related league or rec?  If it is school related I think a talk with the schools AD and your local school board rep are certainly in order here.  Coaching has changed immensely over the last 25 years and that type of response to an injured player really puts the associated school or town in a bad position legally IMO.  its one thing to sign a waiver, but the coaches are supposed to be watching for injuries and holding kids out when there is an obvious sign of something potentially more severe.

Thanks. Yeah, 5A high school lacrosse and we're working on it.

Prayers up MB - When I was reading your post I was thinking kidneys or spleen, damage to a lobe of the liver is really serious. I'm glad that surgery was not required, and your son is home - The hospital is NO PLACE to "feel better"

Have coached for years and learned to take ANY injury seriously. I always took our son to urgent care simply to "rule out" any lasting effects. Unfortunately players OFTEN take cheap shots.

Glad your son is improving. As for "the coach" I would have a few "select" words about the "man up" or "get back in there" strategy.

ALSO this is a good reminder for parents. Your kid's health is certainly more important than a game. Parents often want their kids back in there, and pressure coaches to play their kid despite being concussed and "crab-walking" to the sideline. Our coaches had to go through extensive training & certification every year prior to Spring ball & our school employed a full time trainer to oversee the kids at practices and games & evaluate ANY injury. They supercede ANY coach, notify parents and students are not allowed to return without a doctors note and re-eval by the school trainer. Our school district also had EMT's / Ambulance at the site.

Our practices were scaled down - In football we called it "THUD" when there was first contact, we blew a quick whistle and the play was over. Very seldom did we practice "full contact" or what we called "Take down". We taught "hawk" tackling, as too many kids want to "HIT" and not "tackle" - we even used "Shadow man" tackling dummies as a safety measure. Safety measures should INCLUDE PRACTICES.

If Dan Campbell wonders why his team looks like Antietam, all he needs to do is evaluate his "Biting kneecaps" approach to practices and games.

Our kids don't need to prove their "manhood" to a coach that doesn't quite understand that it should be fun.

God Bless,
V83

Glad to hear he is recovering, Maroon. Prayers up he keeps getting better and doesn't have any long lasting effects.

Glad your son is better now. I hope that coach realizes he damn near killed him with his John Wayne BS.

Sorry to hear about your son MB. I hope he is on to a fast recovery.

Was there no certified trainer on hand? There was always one at my boys football and basketball games.

Vanguard83 wrote:
Prayers up MB - When I was reading your post I was thinking kidneys or spleen, damage to a lobe of the liver is really serious. I'm glad that surgery was not required, and your son is home - The hospital is NO PLACE to "feel better" 

Have coached for years and learned to take ANY injury seriously. I always took our son to urgent care simply to "rule out" any lasting effects. Unfortunately players OFTEN take cheap shots.

Glad your son is improving.  As for "the coach" I would have a few "select" words about the "man up" or "get back in there" strategy.

ALSO this is a good reminder for parents. Your kid's health is certainly more important than a game. Parents often want their kids back in there, and pressure coaches to play their kid despite being concussed and "crab-walking" to the sideline. Our coaches had to go through extensive training & certification every year prior to Spring ball & our school employed a full time trainer to oversee the kids at practices and games & evaluate ANY injury. They supercede ANY coach, notify parents and students are not allowed to return without a doctors note and re-eval by the school trainer. Our school district also had EMT's / Ambulance at the site.

Our practices were scaled down - In football we called it "THUD" when there was first contact, we blew a quick whistle and the play was over. Very seldom did we practice "full contact" or what we called "Take down". We taught "hawk" tackling, as too many kids want to "HIT" and not "tackle" - we even used "Shadow man" tackling dummies as a safety measure. Safety measures should INCLUDE PRACTICES.

If Dan Campbell wonders why his team looks like Antietam, all he needs to do is evaluate his "Biting kneecaps" approach to practices and games. 

Our kids don't need to prove their "manhood" to a coach that doesn't quite understand that it should be fun.

God Bless,
V83

Glad your kid is ok MB.  Honestly it is the parents responsibility to care for the child.  Not to take away too much, but coaches have a fine line to walk.  Parents want winning programs, kids can be whiners.  So he has to make a judgement call.  Obviously he made the wrong one but you made the right one.  Concussions are another matter. I spotted my son having a concussion his junior year.  I watched my kids on and off the field.  After one kickoff I could tell he had his bell wrung.  He was heading to the sideline and really trying hard to figure out where he wanted to go.  I could just see there was some confusion. 

 I made him get tested the next day (they had baseline testing that started that year)  Sure enough, he had one and he missed the last game of his Junior year.  He ended up missing his senior year completely because he cracked his head on the windshield in a minor accident and it messed him up for a month.  Really sucked.  He was a gamer, didn't look like much, too slender, but hit hard and had epic level of vision on the field.  But his long term health was more important.

Zanary wrote:
Absolutely destroy that coach's existence...legally, socially, whatever works.

Also, send him the hospital bill.

(Just a suggestion)

Yeah, that will show him.
:rolleyes:

Sorry to hear that. Some people have no business coaching. Reminds me of what happened to me in football practice in 1978. I beat a DB on a post, caught the ball, and he horse-collared me and flipped me over landing on my head. I lost my memory. It's a weird feeling, you know you are at football practice but that is all you know. I told a coach that I lost my memory and he said that I will be fine. Well, here I am, not fine.

MaroonBells wrote:
Spent 6 hours in Urgent Care yesterday with my son after he was checked hard under the ribs in a lacrosse game.

When the injury occurred his coach told him to “man up” and get back in there. And of course he did. There was never any doubt about that. The kid would walk through fire to keep playing. He’s been pissing blood ever since.

Urgent care sent us to a trauma center, which is where he spent the night, lying in a bed with what they described as “potentially life threatening” bleeding of the liver. Surgery was only ruled out this morning.

It’s no longer life threatening. He’ll be going home this afternoon. But he’s out for the season.

Hey, if you’re a coach and one of your kids gets hurt, take them out of the fucking game and save the “man up” bullshit for your fake-tough online profile.

If you can’t handle the fact that your son may get hurt playing sports, perhaps you shouldn’t let him play?  People are funny.  You’ve played keyboard warrior in the past calling me a racist simply because I don’t agree with your views, and now you want sympathy because your son played a sport that is knowingly dangerous and he got hurt.  I hope he’s okay, but I’m done supporting hypocrites like yourself that castigate others and then expect sympathy when life kicks your ass a little.  That being said, thoughts and prayers….

Perhaps as a person who supports men playing in women’s sports, you can maybe now acknowledge that isn’t a good idea either? I feel bad for your son, but you’re hardly the right advocate for safety in kids sports. It’s notable that now you’re worried about it because your kid is affected. Unless your ironclad ACLU support has now waned?

Glad to hear he's recovering MB. That coached needs to be banned and be legally charged.

Waterboy wrote:

If you can’t handle the fact that your son may get hurt playing sports, perhaps you shouldn’t let him play?  People are funny.  You’ve played keyboard warrior in the past calling me a racist simply because I don’t agree with your views, and now you want sympathy because your son played a sport that is knowingly dangerous and he got hurt.  I hope he’s okay, but I’m done supporting hypocrites like yourself that castigate others and then expect sympathy when life kicks your ass a little.  That being said, thoughts and prayers….

Perhaps as a person who supports men playing in women’s sports, you can maybe now acknowledge that isn’t a good idea either?  I feel bad for your son, but you’re hardly the right advocate for safety in kids sports. It’s notable that now you’re worried about it because your kid is affected.  Unless your ironclad ACLU support has now waned?

Holy shit LOL. You are a piece of work.

JustInTime wrote:
Was there no certified trainer on hand? There was always one at my boys football and basketball games.

Yeah, there was a trainer there, but clearly unqualified. The doctor told him that if he had been hit again in that same spot he could've died on the field.

That’s insane.

FLVike wrote:
Sorry to hear that. Some people have no business coaching. Reminds me of what happened to me in football practice in 1978. I beat a DB on a post, caught the ball, and he horse-collared me and flipped me over landing on my head. I lost my memory. It's a weird feeling, you know you are at football practice but that is all you know. I told a coach that I lost my memory and he said that I will be fine. Well, here I am, not fine.

Jesus, I hope you're not still dealing with that. 

I went down after hitting a big ass WR on a quick slant. Just remember lights, green grass, colorful uniforms. I went off for a play, trainer asks me how many fingers he's holding up, the score, the quarter, all of which I could answer. Go back into the game and "Orange 4" is called. Just a basic quarters defense. Probably ran that play a thousand times. But at that very moment, they could've called the play "Bob" and it would've meant the same to me. I was like that for about 4 plays before I came out of it. 

That was the time though. Coaches, trainers, they didn't know shit. Hell, we didn't even get water back then, just ice.

IMaroonBells wrote:

Holy shit LOL. You are a piece of work.

Yeah, there was a trainer there, but clearly unqualified. The doctor told him that if he had been hit again in that same spot he could've died on the field.

Should biological men be able to play in women’s sports?  If you say yes, then you are a hypocrite. If you say no, you’ve changed your views, which would be commendable.  I just get a charge out of the hypocrisy here. For the record, I do hope your son is 100% okay but I feel your ideology is every bit as dangerous as that of the coach from what I’ve witnessed from you in the past.