Vikings in talks with Tannehill

StickierBuns wrote:

Yep, I mostly agree that the QB2 'mentor' thing is at a minimum overrated in reality. But there's some value there for JJM with a vet like Tannehill, Flacco, to point out some helpful things along the way and in the QB room.

Isn't that what a mentor does? 

Whether the mentor thing is overrated or underrated I don't know, but I do know having a quality backup who can win is underrated. I've heard people say well if JJ goes down, the season's over, who cares who your backup is. But it doesn't have to be a season-ending injury. If we're in a dog fight for the division with the Lions late in the year and McCarthy sprains an ankle, sidelining him for 4 weeks, you want to have a guy who can come in and win games over that stretch.

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Are you saying is no one interested in making millions of dollars to hold a clipboard?  I think someone will be.

The backup QB as a mentor stuff is overrated.  The real mentor is KOC.
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Yep, I mostly agree that the QB2 'mentor' thing is at a minimum overrated in reality. But there's some value there for JJM with a vet like Tannehill, Flacco, to point out some helpful things along the way and in the QB room.

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Isn't that what a mentor does? 

Whether the mentor thing is overrated or underrated I don't know, but I do know having a quality backup who can win is underrated. I've heard people say well if JJ goes down, the season's over, who cares who your backup is. But it doesn't have to be a season-ending injury. If we're in a dog fight for the division with the Lions late in the year and McCarthy sprains an ankle, sidelining him for 4 weeks, you want to have a guy who can come in and win games over that stretch.
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Quality backup and 'mentor' can be two different things. That's my point, get a guy that can win a few games if need be. And I didn't say anything about season-ending. Hell, I think LaFleur in GB did a hell of a job with Malik Willis. I'd take Tannehill over Flacco right now to win me 3 games as a backup.

According to @RapSheet, he doesn’t believe anything is imminent between the #Vikings and Ryan Tannehill, and the “hope is that they don’t need him.” Rap thinks the talks, if any, between the two sides were more theoretical than concrete.

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JustInTime wrote:
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I think the Vikings really want Cousins and both him and the Vikings will wait until after the draft to pursue something. Hopefully we can get an Osweiler type deal where we can get Cousins and a pick or two for taking on some of Cousins salary.

StickierBuns wrote:
What does the 'they hope they don't need him' type of thing mean?

I can only assume they are referring to a potential setback in McCarthy's recovery, or there's a point in the season JJ isn't playing well and they consider sitting him down for a couple games. 

The Tannehill thing was always a little strange to me. I just wonder if Flacco is asking for more than the Vikings are willing to pay, or maybe he thinks he can still land a starting spot somewhere

MaroonBells wrote:

I think the Vikings really want Cousins and both him and the Vikings will wait until after the draft to pursue something. Hopefully we can get an Osweiler type deal where we can get Cousins and a pick or two for taking on some of Cousins salary.

Why would Kirk want to sit on the bench in MN when he doesn't want to sit on the bench in Atlanta where he can go home every night to his wife and kids?

And why would the Vikings want to launch JJM's career by hiring a backup who makes 40 mil and wants to start, making JJM look over his shoulder every time things go wrong?

Let's stress out our new QB who is trying to make it in the NFL by bringing back the guy we got rid of because he hoovers up the payroll and doesn't produce any postseason success. Great plan!

They need a backup who is no threat to start, whose job is to hold a clipboard and pat the kid on the back and who doesn't cost the team anything significant.

Uncle Rico time

comet52 wrote:

Why would Kirk want to sit on the bench in MN when he doesn't want to sit on the bench in Atlanta where he can go home every night to his wife and kids?

And why would the Vikings want to launch JJM's career by hiring a backup who makes 40 mil and wants to start, making JJM look over his shoulder every time things go wrong?
 
Let's stress out our new QB who is trying to make it in the NFL by bringing back the guy we got rid of because he hoovers up the payroll and doesn't produce any postseason success.  Great plan!

They need a backup who is no threat to start, whose job is to hold a clipboard and pat the kid on the back and who doesn't cost the team anything significant.

Because the Vikings are one of the few teams with a need at QB2 and the kind of ridiculous level of cap space to acquire part of the salary the Falcons are paying. The Vikings also have a big interest in the picks they'd get in return for doing so. Why would Kirk approve a trade back to Minny? He likely wouldn't. He'll want to go to a team where he can at least compete for the starting job. That is likely not the Vikings. But there may not be another opportunity. The Viking offer stability, familiarity, legit super bowl contention and the best offense in the NFL. There are worse situations for him. 

If McCarthy gets "stressed" by the veteran looking over his shoulder, we have a problem, and it's not the backup QB. Hey Viking fans, why did your franchise QB fail? Funny story, that: Apparently because his backup was too good.

comet52 wrote:

Why would Kirk want to sit on the bench in MN when he doesn't want to sit on the bench in Atlanta where he can go home every night to his wife and kids?

And why would the Vikings want to launch JJM's career by hiring a backup who makes 40 mil and wants to start, making JJM look over his shoulder every time things go wrong?
 
Let's stress out our new QB who is trying to make it in the NFL by bringing back the guy we got rid of because he hoovers up the payroll and doesn't produce any postseason success.  Great plan!

They need a backup who is no threat to start, whose job is to hold a clipboard and pat the kid on the back and who doesn't cost the team anything significant.

I agree with most everything except the no threat to JJM part,  JJM seems to be a lot more mentally solid than that, I dont think he would play looking over his shoulder.  The kid seems pretty chill.

the rest of it,  yeah, Kirk dont want to be here anymore than he wants to be in ATL.  If there isnt a clear path to QB1 or a likelyhood of getting to compete,  he isnt interested.

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Makes sense. Probably going to take a piece of dynamite to displace Tannehill from retirement and being away from his family in Tennessee.

What does the 'they hope they don't need him' type of thing mean?

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I think the Vikings really want Cousins and both him and the Vikings will wait until after the draft to pursue something. Hopefully we can get an Osweiler type deal where we can get Cousins and a pick or two for taking on some of Cousins salary.
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MaroonBells wrote:
If McCarthy gets "stressed" by the veteran looking over his shoulder, we have a problem, and it's not the backup QB. Hey Viking fans, why did your franchise QB fail? Funny story, that: Apparently because his backup was too good.

But there's nothing inherently true about that. He might be the type who needs a year or two as the unchallenged starter to establish a confident foundation.

It doesn't make sense for the team to bring in the QB of the past to hang around the qbotf. It's not a fuck around and find out experiment, it's building the future of the franchise. IMO you take no such chances and you definitely don't bring back a guy you got rid of who wants to start.

Fortunately, I think Kirk back to Minnesota rumors have as much credibility as Sam coming back and Rodgers in purple.

As for Kirko, there are always qb-needy teams, I'm sure he can land a starting spot somewhere if Atlanta will let him go.

Big Kirko says he won’t wave his no-trade clause ‘til after the draft! Fool him once, shame on the NFL, fool him twice, nah… :cool: :angel:

So is there a comp pick timing element to this Tannehill discussion??

purplefaithful wrote:
So is there a comp pick timing element to this Tannehill discussion??

I don't think so. He didn't play last year.

comet52 wrote:
It's like saying if JJM's path gets fucked by having Kirko around then he's not worth it.

But there's nothing inherently true about that.  He might be the type who needs a year or two as the unchallenged starter to establish a confident foundation.

It doesn't make sense for the team to bring in the QB of the past to hang around the qbotf.  It's not a fuck around and find out experiment, it's building the future of the franchise.  IMO you take no such chances and you definitely don't bring back a guy you got rid of who wants to start.

Fortunately, I think Kirk back to Minnesota rumors have as much credibility as Sam coming back and Rodgers in purple.

As for Kirko, there are always qb-needy teams, I'm sure he can land a starting spot somewhere if Atlanta will let him go.

?  You can also say that maybe he’s the guy that needs a challenge and to be in a system where he’s pushed to be his best and by not having a challenger, you’re embarking on the Fuck around and find out train.  You don’t get to monopolize which pathway is the risky one.  They’re both risky.  In my mind, the Fuck around and find out pathway is the one where you just hand the starting role to someone who hasn’t earned it and then don’t challenge them until the whole world has watched you shit the bed for 5 years.  We just dumped on the Giants because they didn’t bring in competition, even though it was the right opportunity, when they sucked then and now.

Regardless, Agreed that Kirk’s not coming here and JJM isn’t that weak.