VIP's Big Boy Serves a Nuclear Dumbass Burger!

Waterboy wrote:
Huh?

Yeah, I’d be losing sleep over that one.  Perhaps cut the strings on your shoulders that he continues to pull on those he enjoys driving crazy.

Luigi Mangione was just trying to save his country. He did nothing wrong.

AGRforever wrote:

Luigi Mangione was just trying to save his country. He did nothing wrong.

Hopefully you’re a happy camper now.  ?

Waterboy wrote:

Hopefully you’re a happy camper now.  ?

Luigi is still locked up.  I'll be happy when he's released.  He was obviously trying to save his country.

Maybe DOGE will simply dismiss the guards in his prison, without checking their job descriptions/priorities. If they can do it for our nuclear arsenal personnel, prison guards have to be at least as likely to get pink slips...!

AGRforever wrote:

Got my info from a couple different sources. It showed up on Reddit first (3ish days ago?) from a mother jones article. Then Reuters and Yahoo had an article if I remember correctly. 

Both Reddit and especially mother jones are liberal and hardcore liberal respectively. 

That’s why I pulled the quotes directly. 

I need my medication. Without it my brain would fry itself quite quickly. I’ve seen longterm untreated epilepsy and it’s not good. Anyone threatening my health can fuck right off.

As Trump would say: "He who saves his Country does not violate any Law,"

A co-worker and friend of mine with epilepsy died from a med issue when he had an episode and his car hit a tree... its nothing to fuck with so I totally understand your position.  some scary shit you are dealing with.

My concern is with all the mis-information out there, I am hesitant to follow any source farther than the person of origin, and if it isnt a full quote I just dismiss it as a hit piece where they capture something out of context.  I am going to admit I havent followed up on this much at all , but in a broader sense,  I do still wonder how much of our country's division is really a matter of where the people get their news.  I really just dont trust many sources these days. ( left or right)

Zanary wrote:
Maybe DOGE will simply dismiss the guards in his prison, without checking their job descriptions/priorities. If they can do it for our nuclear arsenal personnel, prison guards have to be at least as likely to get pink slips...!

 Fascinating perspective.  I'm sure it'll happen.  It's about as likely as your other worries.

AGRforever wrote:

Luigi is still locked up.  I'll be happy when he's released.  He was obviously trying to save his country.

Umm okay.  I'll start cracking jokes about your epilepsy since you find the death of my friend's brother something funny to pick at.  It just makes you a loser, dude.

...and he's back in Vlad's pocket as a revisionist! Traitor-in-chief, always...!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9814k2jlxko

(again, practically every news agency has the same story, with the same quotes)

"Trump's comments - some of which appeared to mirror common Russian talking points about the war - came just hours after US officials met with a Russian delegation in Riyadh to open talks to end the conflict, which has raged for almost three years.

Zelensky later accused Trump of "living in a disinformation space" created by Russia."

But...according to everyone that ISN'T suckling on Putin's teet:

"Ukraine didn't start the war. Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, having annexed Crimea in 2014.

The annexation came after Ukraine's pro-Russian president was ousted by popular demonstrations."

"Russia also backed proxy forces who seized areas of eastern Ukraine, and it accused the new government in Kyiv of discrimination and genocide against Russian speakers. The International Court of Justice has rejected Moscow's claims."

So...I just shudder to think of the others that remember the cold war, and Russia's love of disinformation; as long as orange boi is in there to parrot Vlad's talking points, Russia's winning in our highest office.

...aaaaand, he's filed executive orders to put more departments under the thumb of the Executive Branch (so much for "independent regulatory committees), before declaring "Hail to the King" after attacking NY's congestion charge.

So, basically, he's expanding the Executive Branch's power, and is known to basically deny/end that which is not loyal to him above all else. This can only go well....

Hey Z -

Here's another Trump cut for you to protest.  Without this life saving research funded by the NIH, Lesbian cancer will still barbarically treated as female cancer likely killing millions.  

JUST IN: Woman has meltdown because Trump shut down her job where she studied "how to safely collect s*xual orientation and gender identity" practices.

Lmao. You literally can't tell what's a parody anymore.

"I was told to stop work immediately and that no more research… pic.twitter.com/fdOBSHMEP2

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) February 19, 2025

badgervike wrote:
Hey Z -

Here's another Trump cut for you to protest.  Without this life saving research funded by the NIH, Lesbian cancer will still barbarically treated as female cancer likely killing millions.  

JUST IN: Woman has meltdown because Trump shut down her job where she studied "how to safely collect s*xual orientation and gender identity" practices.

Lmao. You literally can't tell what's a parody anymore.

"I was told to stop work immediately and that no more research… pic.twitter.com/fdOBSHMEP2

— Collin Rugg (@CollinRugg) February 19, 2025

...ok, let's see...let's add up all the times I posted in favor of the "47 genders" and related stupidity...
...carry the two, don't forget the double check the work...
...and...
...huh! None!
But hey, orange s**tboi has declared that Ukraine "started the war" when every single rational person...even in the GOP...knows and states otherwise. So, should we be getting ready for "big, beautiful furry hats" from the "very smart, brilliant" Vlad? He's been an outspoken fan for several years, now!

I'm sure his voters are proud to be Vlad's little minions!

Zanary wrote:
...and he's back in Vlad's pocket as a revisionist! Traitor-in-chief, always...!

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c9814k2jlxko

(again, practically every news agency has the same story, with the same quotes)

"Trump's comments - some of which appeared to mirror common Russian talking points about the war - came just hours after US officials met with a Russian delegation in Riyadh to open talks to end the conflict, which has raged for almost three years.

Zelensky later accused Trump of "living in a disinformation space" created by Russia."

But...according to everyone that ISN'T suckling on Putin's teet:

"Ukraine didn't start the war. Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022, having annexed Crimea in 2014.

The annexation came after Ukraine's pro-Russian president was ousted by popular demonstrations."

"Russia also backed proxy forces who seized areas of eastern Ukraine, and it accused the new government in Kyiv of discrimination and genocide against Russian speakers. The International Court of Justice has rejected Moscow's claims."

So...I just shudder to think of the others that remember the cold war, and Russia's love of disinformation; as long as orange boi is in there to parrot Vlad's talking points, Russia's winning in our highest office.

You start reading the tea leaves here and it's obvious Z doesn't want peace.  As I've said before, every politician in Ukraine has been a grifter at some level and I think Z is likely one of the bigger grifters of the bunch.  And while this proxy war has been fun to watch as it diminishes Russia's military (I was wondering if they would resort to horseback fighters again), it's time to put this to an end.  Z's public demands that a peace plan must involve NATO admission AND pre-2014 borders is a non-starter.  When he first started to make these demands, I thought he was just negotiating.  Trump does that stuff all the time. Stake out a position you know won't be met and you don't atually want, and than "compromise".   But the unlitateral negotiations tell me the US views Z as an obstacle to peace.  Ukraine clearly isn't going to get Crimea back (pre-2014).  The people that live there are mainly RUSSIAN.  They don't want to be annexed by the Ukraine again particularly as the Ukraine has moved closer to the West.  Who keeps Donbas is the real question as is protection for the Ukraine going forward.  

The problem will be Z.  Bottom line is he's running on borrowed time.  If he doesn't receive foreign aid, the Ukraine will be overrun in it's entirety fairly swiftly after the Western weaponry gets depleted.  As I said above, having done business in that region...everybody has their hand out.  I can't imagine Z is any different and has padded his pockets throughout the war.  He's a likeable character from his Entertainment days and his troops have fared admirably under his direction.  But...it's time to end this killing nonsense.

badgervike wrote:
You start reading the tea leaves here and it's obvious Z doesn't want peace.  As I've said before, every politician in Ukraine has been a grifter at some level and I think Z is likely one of the bigger grifters of the bunch.  And while this proxy war has been fun to watch as it diminishes Russia's military (I was wondering if they would resort to horseback fighters again), it's time to put this to an end.  Z's public demands that a peace plan must involve NATO admission AND pre-2014 borders is a non-starter.  When he first started to make these demands, I thought he was just negotiating.  Trump does that stuff all the time. Stake out a position you know won't be met and you don't atually want, and than "compromise".   But the unlitateral negotiations tell me the US views Z as an obstacle to peace.  Ukraine clearly isn't going to get Crimea back (pre-2014).  The people that live there are mainly RUSSIAN.  They don't want to be annexed by the Ukraine again particularly as the Ukraine has moved closer to the West.  Who keeps Donbas is the real question as is protection for the Ukraine going forward.  

The problem will be Z.  Bottom line is he's running on borrowed time.  If he doesn't receive foreign aid, the Ukraine will be overrun in it's entirety fairly swiftly after the Western weaponry gets depleted.  As I said above, having done business in that region...everybody has their hand out.  I can't imagine Z is any different and has padded his pockets throughout the war.  He's a likeable character from his Entertainment days and his troops have fared admirably under his direction.  But...it's time to end this killing nonsense.

WOW...you drank that tea down to the damp little leaves in the cup!

As I still have people in the region, none of them (shocker!) want any part of just handing over people/territory to a horrible, massive bully state with imperial ambitions and a completely rabid leader determined to bring the bad old days back before he's gone. Russia kept border skirmishes/incidents going for years, worked to keep "Russian sympathy" going with their planted people, and simple started annexing/mass murdering when their quieter approaches failed.

Russia can have NO say whether Ukraine joins the EU and/or NATO, and should not have mass murder/rape rewarded...

...at least, that's the truth for anyone with a shred of decency and/or ethics. Russia has shown to be a truly massive, criminal country with assassinations, annexing, complete dishonesty, shameless targeting of civilians (gotta test those hypersonic missiles on someone!), and even a willingness to send hundreds of thousands of their own people (and North Koreans, why not?) into the shredder just to...be a huge, murderous bully state.

Compared to Putin...hell, or Trump and Big Boy...Z's less corrupt, and his assets have been probed regularly; his net worth is up to $20 million, and he's visibly working with and for his people constantly. Let's compare that to Vlad and his suckling puppet, Don...that'd be fun, right?

The orange embarrassment is a constant liar on a "revenge tour", and Putin kicked off a war heading for 7 digits' worth of casualties.

I have no illusions that Zelensky is an innocent, but I know what I read and hear from sources all over...and he's exponentially better than his billionaire detractors.

It's almost as if...there's some big forces that are trying to justify their interests in the natural resources, agriculture, geography, and other aspects of a vulnerable country...!

Hmmm...!

At what point do you become a realist though Z? There is NO international support for anything (aid, weapons, troops) that involves Crimea. That was previously Russia and is Russia now. Zelensky insisting that pre-2014 borders are the only thing he'll negotiate is just saying he doesn't want peace. He knows its not going to happen. Even with the increase in aid and weaponry, the Ukrainians are losing territory little by little. At some point, the aid will stop...particularly from the US where the aid is unsecured and not required to be paid back. We can't / wont keep sending weapons with no end in sight and no promises of repayment. The Europeans were at least smart enough to get guarantees.

That brings us to Donbas. We will likely push for some exchange of territory for commitments on not pushing for Ukraine in NATO. A reality is that NATO membership would likely never happen even if there was no agreement. NATO membership requires approvals from all 30 countries in NATO. Do you see ALL of them agreeing to admit Ukraine? I would anticipate some form of defense arrangement for Ukraine from the US and Europe should Russia violate the newly established borders. Russia just doesn't want to see a bunch of permanent offensive / defensive weapons on their border.

In terms of Zelensky's wealth, I'm sure it's more than the $20M verifiable. There's still lots of opportunities to hide money in cash / assets, Swiss / Caribbean banks, crypto or shell companies.

badgervike wrote:
At what point do you become a realist though Z?  There is NO international support for anything (aid, weapons, troops) that involves Crimea. That was previously Russia and is Russia now.  Zelensky insisting that pre-2014 borders are the only thing he'll negotiate is just saying he doesn't want peace.  He knows its not going to happen.  Even with the increase in aid and weaponry, the Ukrainians are losing territory little by little.  At some point, the aid will stop...particularly from the US where the aid is unsecured and not required to be paid back.  We can't / wont keep sending weapons with no end in sight and no promises of repayment.  The Europeans were at least smart enough to get guarantees.

That brings us to Donbas.  We will likely push for some exchange of territory for commitments on not pushing for Ukraine in NATO.  A reality is that NATO membership would likely never happen even if there was no agreement.  NATO membership requires approvals from all 30 countries in NATO.  Do you see ALL of them agreeing to admit Ukraine?  I would anticipate some form of defense arrangement for Ukraine from the US and Europe should Russia violate the newly established borders.  Russia just doesn't want to see a bunch of permanent offensive / defensive weapons on their border.

In terms of Zelensky's wealth, I'm sure it's more than the $20M verifiable.  There's still lots of opportunities to hide money in cash / assets, Swiss / Caribbean banks, crypto or shell companies.

So, your stance is to reward mass murder/rape, somehow forget that Russia has broken MANY agreements and assume new ones will matter now, and to reward our lying filth monger president for the fact that he's likely to be one of the holdouts against Ukraine's NATO membership...because orange boi was waxed positively bro-love over the "brilliant" Putin for years?

Huh.

Oh, and Z is answerable to your speculations, yet you've repeatedly waved off obvious and ongoing lies from our embarrassment in the Oval Office.

Not impressive.

Zanary wrote:

So, your stance is to reward mass murder/rape, somehow forget that Russia has broken MANY agreements and assume new ones will matter now, and to reward our lying filth monger president for the fact that he's likely to be one of the holdouts against Ukraine's NATO membership...because orange boi was waxed positively bro-love over the "brilliant" Putin for years?

Huh.

Oh, and Z is answerable to your speculations, yet you've repeatedly waved off obvious and ongoing lies from our embarrassment in the Oval Office.

Not impressive.

Haha.  Now you're speaking in the third person. lol  It keeps getting better.

Z is for Zelensky. Not Zanary

badgervike wrote:
At what point do you become a realist though Z?  There is NO international support for anything (aid, weapons, troops) that involves Crimea. That was previously Russia and is Russia now.  Zelensky insisting that pre-2014 borders are the only thing he'll negotiate is just saying he doesn't want peace.  He knows its not going to happen.  Even with the increase in aid and weaponry, the Ukrainians are losing territory little by little.  At some point, the aid will stop...particularly from the US where the aid is unsecured and not required to be paid back.  We can't / wont keep sending weapons with no end in sight and no promises of repayment.  The Europeans were at least smart enough to get guarantees.

That brings us to Donbas.  We will likely push for some exchange of territory for commitments on not pushing for Ukraine in NATO.  A reality is that NATO membership would likely never happen even if there was no agreement.  NATO membership requires approvals from all 30 countries in NATO.  Do you see ALL of them agreeing to admit Ukraine?  I would anticipate some form of defense arrangement for Ukraine from the US and Europe should Russia violate the newly established borders.  Russia just doesn't want to see a bunch of permanent offensive / defensive weapons on their border.

In terms of Zelensky's wealth, I'm sure it's more than the $20M verifiable.  There's still lots of opportunities to hide money in cash / assets, Swiss / Caribbean banks, crypto or shell companies.

was listening to a pod cast last week from some pentagon or war college guy that says not only has that war run down Russia's war machine, but also the US's ability to fight/defend as a lot of our own military assets have been sold/given to the Ukraine over the last few years.

at this point, fuck NATO,  fuck Zelensky,  and Russia can fuck off as well.   pushing NATO further into Eastern Europe is a stupid idea,  all we are going to do is force a tighter alliance between China, Russia,  and all those middle east countries that want to kill us.  think about it,  we run proxy wars in Europe,  Russia and China will do the same in other parts of the world to out allies.  This is not a tenable situation for the US.

The only reason I even think for a second that the US should stay involved in the Ukraine mess...  I think deep down it was our CIA and War machine hierarchy that started it by pushing the NATO situation... sure Russia didnt have to go on the offensive,  but what would the US do if suddenly China was threatening to put military installations in Mexico or Canada?  I think we owe the people of the Ukraine a real election and a peaceful resolution to the war,  get Z out of there and let the people of the region decide if they want their own country or to be part of Russia again.  From what I've read is that most the people in the Crimean region wanted to be part of Russia anyway.  the Crimean population is 65% Russian and only 15% Ukrainian, so it may be legit.

"Pushing the NATO situation"

Former WARSAW counties openly and constantly courted the EU and NATO, and cited exactly what happened/is happening to Ukraine. They're still doing that.

The "pushing NATO on Eastern Europe" narrative falls in response to consistent reality.

badgervike wrote:
Z is for Zelensky.  Not Zanary

Gotcha.  I can’t decipher the Dude half the time.

Waterboy wrote:

Gotcha.  I can’t decipher the Dude half the time.

After the dozenth reminder, I'll bet the board gets that.

Notice that it's always, only you.