WTF is going on in MN?

that fucking idiot freak would have gotten taken down with extreme prejudice if he tried that a few hours west of St Paul. I believe in free speech, but there is no room for that kind of behavior, want to act tough, be ready to get smacked in the mouth.

You cant make the s hit up...

Its gone to the state supreme court to determine the interpretation of a quorum.

In the interim, nothing is getting done by elected officials who were elected to serve the people.

purplefaithful wrote:
You cant make the s hit up...

Its gone to the state supreme court to determine the interpretation of a quorum.

In the interim, nothing is getting done by elected officials who were elected to serve the people.

If I've got it right the R's hold 67 seats, the D's hold 66 seats.  There's 1 open seat because a guy that ran didn't live in the district.  The D's can't elect someone in a special election until the legislative session is opened.  If opened the R's claim they have a majority (they do) and elect a house speaker.

This whole pissing match is about house speaker to which the R's have the right to nominate.

The Minnesota Supreme Court sided with Democrats on Friday by saying that 68 members must be present to conduct business in the state House of Representatives, but it was unclear whether that would prompt the DFL to end a boycott or compel Republicans back into power-sharing discussions.

The unsigned order was the unanimous decision of the six justices who heard oral arguments on the dispute Thursday.

“Vacancies do not reduce the number required for a majority of each house to constitute a quorum. By statute, the total number of seats in the Minnesota House of Representatives is 134 seats,” the three-page order read.

Source: Startribune

Now let's have both sides sit down and hammer out an agreement on power sharing and get back to frigging governing. 

Soooo couldn’t the 67 R’s pull a D and just refuse to show up lol? Seems by picking a number going forward there could be all kinds of quorum issues

WOW, what a mess!

I've been eyeing a return to the Midwest, and Minnesota was a strong contender...but friends in the area warned against moving to "MinneSomalia", and made several Walz references as well.

Yeah, might be a case of "nice place to visit, but...".

Zanary wrote:
WOW, what a mess!

I've been eyeing a return to the Midwest, and Minnesota was a strong contender...but friends in the area warned against moving to "MinneSomalia", and made several Walz references as well.

Yeah, might be a case of "nice place to visit, but...".

Meh...Its still the Minnesota I grew up in for decades. 

Yes there is a larger than avg Somali group here, it is also very concentrated. 

Do we not celebrate cultural differences anymore? 

I've done business with many Somalis over the years and have found my connections engaging and rewarding. 

No doubt the last 5 years have been difficult .MN has issues here like any state, but the social media portrayals vs daily living here are in stark contrast to each other. 

This is still one of the highest quality of life you can find in the states with a sophisticated biz base, scandinavian vibe, great schooling and health care too. 

We're just missing a Lombardi ;)

purplefaithful wrote:

Meh...Its still the Minnesota I grew up in for decades. 

Yes there is a larger than avg Somali group here, it is also very concentrated. 

Do we not celebrate cultural differences anymore? 

I've done business with many Somalis over the years and have found my connections engaging and rewarding. 

No doubt the last 5 years have been difficult .MN has issues here like any state, but the social media portrayals vs daily living here are in stark contrast to each other. 

This is still one of the highest quality of life you can find in the states with a sophisticated biz base, scandinavian vibe, great schooling and health care too. 

We're just missing a Lombardi ;)

Oh, I love cultural diversity, though I'm absolutely disgusted by the rampant and shameless antisemitism plaguing much of the country (and the world, honestly)...and the ridiculous ways people try to "aw shucks" the behaviors of hamas, houthis, and other Iranian terror puppets.

Omar, obviously, is a despicable waste of carbon and oxygen.

I worked with many Somalians, Nigerians, Haitians, and others while I was doing parts/logistics for trucking companies hereabouts, and got along famously for the most part. There'd always be the outlier that liked to push Sharia into conversations, though, and things got awkward/ugly fast.

AGRforever wrote:
Soooo couldn’t the 67 R’s pull a D and just refuse to show up lol?  Seems by picking a number going forward there could be all kinds of quorum issues

Absolutely they could...But the D's were also correct (by SC ruling 6/0) that there was not a quorum and therefore no senate/house lead yet and any bills passed the last 2 weeks are null and void...

My expectation remains same as b4 the Supreme Ct ruling: figure it out and get back to governing.

purplefaithful wrote:

Meh...Its still the Minnesota I grew up in for decades. 

Yes there is a larger than avg Somali group here, it is also very concentrated. 

Do we not celebrate cultural differences anymore? 

I've done business with many Somalis over the years and have found my connections engaging and rewarding. 

No doubt the last 5 years have been difficult .MN has issues here like any state, but the social media portrayals vs daily living here are in stark contrast to each other. 

This is still one of the highest quality of life you can find in the states with a sophisticated biz base, scandinavian vibe, great schooling and health care too. 

We're just missing a Lombardi ;)

I grew up near Faribault. Somalians have taken over. It’s nothing like what I grew up with. I won’t move back.

purplefaithful wrote:

Absolutely they could...But the D's were also correct (by SC ruling 6/0) that there was not a quorum and therefore no senate/house lead yet and any bills passed the last 2 weeks are null and void...

My expectation remains same as b4 the Supreme Ct ruling: figure it out and get back to governing.

They’ll end up with a co speaker of the house I’d imagine. 

Doesn’t Walz have to sign bills into law?  It’s not like the Rs ran rampant. It was more about appointments wasn’t it?

I'm already working to escape a single-party-dominant state that has been a display of everything stupid and alarming about the dnc. I'm very aware that the gop will find equal, but different, slabs of stupidity in their own power bases. Looking for the legendary lands where moderates roam.

Ive learned over the decades, everything is cyclical...The country may be polarized, but its too big, too diverse for one party to rule for long.

Team R is in the white house today and may very well not be in 47 mos.

Team D used to have a trifecta in MN, doesnt anymore.

BTW, trifectas at the fed or state level are bad imo. Problem is, the alternative is gridlock.

purplefaithful wrote:
Ive learned over the decades, everything is cyclical...The country may be polarized, but its too big, too diverse for one party to rule for long.

Team R is in the white house today and may very well not be in 47 mos.

Team D used to have a trifecta in MN, doesnt anymore.

BTW, trifectas at the fed or state level are bad imo. Problem is, the alternative is gridlock.

Agree. I want split government.

purplefaithful wrote:
Ive learned over the decades, everything is cyclical...The country may be polarized, but its too big, too diverse for one party to rule for long.

Team R is in the white house today and may very well not be in 47 mos.

Team D used to have a trifecta in MN, doesnt anymore.

BTW, trifectas at the fed or state level are bad imo. Problem is, the alternative is gridlock.

Both "main" teams are full-on s**t, which is a huge part of the problem. With well over 300 million people, just 2 parties is asinine.

Washington, particularly Western Washington (where all the money is), has been dnc dominated for decades. It's not quite Chicago, but still pretty determinedly "blue"...even as crime and other obvious issues brutalize the populace.

Any party that stays in power gets too enabled, too lazy, too certain in their "place"...and, if the voters support them out of habit, things don't change. Chicago has been a crime hive forever, been a dnc stronghold for a century or so. San Francisco may or may not be learning this lesson as they're buried in homelessness, addiction, crime, and feckless leadership. At the same time, some Southeastern gop strongholds have been crap in jobs, infrastructure, and education (and no, forcing the schools to post the Ten Commandments isn't the solution).

The 'leadership' of this country is largely unworthy, and we need to quit accepting that.

Zanary wrote:

Both "main" teams are full-on s**t, which is a huge part of the problem. With well over 300 million people, just 2 parties is asinine.

Washington, particularly Western Washington (where all the money is), has been dnc dominated for decades. It's not quite Chicago, but still pretty determinedly "blue"...even as crime and other obvious issues brutalize the populace.

Any party that stays in power gets too enabled, too lazy, too certain in their "place"...and, if the voters support them out of habit, things don't change. Chicago has been a crime hive forever, been a dnc stronghold for a century or so. San Francisco may or may not be learning this lesson as they're buried in homelessness, addiction, crime, and feckless leadership. At the same time, some Southeastern gop strongholds have been crap in jobs, infrastructure, and education (and no, forcing the schools to post the Ten Commandments isn't the solution).

The 'leadership' of this country is largely unworthy, and we need to quit accepting that.

What you fail to see is that while yes there are places that are dominated by one party,  SD being one such place,  that doesnt mean that there arent checks on that party.  Our R party is very much 2 parties on many issues,  we have the big money "economic development " side,  and we have the more libertarian side that consistently bucks the opposition,   yes they come together at times for certain causes,  but will get bloody on others.  

You dont need a worthless third party designation to have a differing views and directions represented.  If anything we need to get rid of party affiliations all together,  IMO political parties are for the ignorant and uninformed voters,  who really are a large part of our problem in this country, informed voters are more apt to see bullshit and vote it out,  or at least call it out.  The ignorant that vote by party affiliation are the ones that keep the status quo in office and no third party on the ballot will change that.

JimmyinSD wrote:
What you fail to see is that while yes there are places that are dominated by one party,  SD being one such place,  that doesnt mean that there arent checks on that party.  Our R party is very much 2 parties on many issues,  we have the big money "economic development " side,  and we have the more libertarian side that consistently bucks the opposition,   yes they come together at times for certain causes,  but will get bloody on others.  

You dont need a worthless third party designation to have a differing views and directions represented.  If anything we need to get rid of party affiliations all together,  IMO political parties are for the ignorant and uninformed voters,  who really are a large part of our problem in this country, informed voters are more apt to see bullshit and vote it out,  or at least call it out.  The ignorant that vote by party affiliation are the ones that keep the status quo in office and no third party on the ballot will change that.

WOW...a "worthless third party", both assumptive and condescending!

SD is largely a hole. You're having teachers deserting, your lakes/rivers are polluted as hell, you have red flags for everything from syphilis to chronic student absenteeism...while the reservation crime is rampant. Your smartest people leave, and your twit governor gets banned from the reservations while playing hide the bratwurst with a Trumplestilskin staffer. I hope he doesn't have a dog.

I'd hardly use that state as an example.

Zanary wrote:

Both "main" teams are full-on s**t, which is a huge part of the problem. With well over 300 million people, just 2 parties is asinine.

Washington, particularly Western Washington (where all the money is), has been dnc dominated for decades. It's not quite Chicago, but still pretty determinedly "blue"...even as crime and other obvious issues brutalize the populace.

Any party that stays in power gets too enabled, too lazy, too certain in their "place"...and, if the voters support them out of habit, things don't change. Chicago has been a crime hive forever, been a dnc stronghold for a century or so. San Francisco may or may not be learning this lesson as they're buried in homelessness, addiction, crime, and feckless leadership. At the same time, some Southeastern gop strongholds have been crap in jobs, infrastructure, and education (and no, forcing the schools to post the Ten Commandments isn't the solution).

The 'leadership' of this country is largely unworthy, and we need to quit accepting that.

Oh I vote 3rd party when given the chance. Can’t change without changing who we vote for.

AGRforever wrote:
Oh I vote 3rd party when given the chance. Can’t change without changing who we vote for.

I still can't fathom "main party" support in the information age. It makes zero sense, is counter-logic at best.

Oh, and as for what I "refuse to see"...which, maybe you should've asked, first...is the actual results:

for all the "factions" in the gop, they've essentially knuckled under to our traitor-in-chief, again. A few are standing in opposition, which likely means "Liz Cheney" status for anyone functional and honest enough to question to philandering filth that is against staining the Oval Office.

The dnc is largely similar, even as the "extreme left" lose a bit of footing to the moderates, the "progressives" are still utilized for optics by the party, even if they're largely marginalized by both extreme stances and the core of that party. If Omar and AOC lose their seats, that party will be forced to remember the middle Americans it largely threw away.

Zanary wrote:

WOW...a "worthless third party", both assumptive and condescending!

SD is largely a hole. You're having teachers deserting, your lakes/rivers are polluted as hell, you have red flags for everything from syphilis to chronic student absenteeism...while the reservation crime is rampant. Your smartest people leave, and your twit governor gets banned from the reservations while playing hide the bratwurst with a Trumplestilskin staffer. I hope he doesn't have a dog.

I'd hardly use that state as an example.

The irony of you calling out others for irony amd condescension is rich...
once again you show that you are not worth the effort,  good luck recruiting for that 3rd party pipe dream of yours,   its pretty apparent why so few would want to join you.

AGRforever wrote:
Oh I vote 3rd party when given the chance. Can’t change without changing who we vote for.

Do you vote 3rd party because thats the best candidate in your opinion,  or simply throwing your vote on any candidate away as a protest?