The POTUS Elect and I agree!!

I would prefer they just move it 1/2 hour and then leave it there permanently. All the way one way or the other would suck. I think its going to suck to have sunrise at 440AM but sunset at 830PM in June. Sunset at 9 is still to early, but its better than 830.

He shouldn't really get a chance, given that he's sworn to pardon Jan. 6th protesters on his first day.

Effectively, he'll be committing treason, which should cause detainment and truly draconian punishment.

I know it won't, but after that point...referring to him as a legit threat to American legislative process and all involved is completely legitimized.

Zanary wrote:
He shouldn't really get a chance, given that he's sworn to pardon Jan. 6th protesters on his first day.

Effectively, he'll be committing treason, which should cause detainment and truly draconian punishment.

I know it won't, but after that point...referring to him as a legit threat to American legislative process and all involved is completely legitimized.

Huh?  I can’t even attempt to guess what you’re trying to communicate.

JimmyinSD wrote:
I would prefer they just move it 1/2 hour and then leave it there permanently. All the way one way or the other would suck.  I think its going to suck to have sunrise at 440AM but sunset at 830PM in June.  Sunset at 9 is still to early, but its better than 830.

I like that idea!!  Never heard it said that way. 

End of the day I’d like them to pick a time and stick with it.

Zanary wrote:
He shouldn't really get a chance, given that he's sworn to pardon Jan. 6th protesters on his first day.

Effectively, he'll be committing treason, which should cause detainment and truly draconian punishment.

I know it won't, but after that point...referring to him as a legit threat to American legislative process and all involved is completely legitimized.

They should have shot every protester that crossed the police line on 1/6. It never should have got to the point it did. It would have only taken 1 or 2. That said I don’t see a ton of difference between 1/6 and the summer of burning after Floyd. 

In fact you could make an argument that the Chaz zone in (Portland or Seattle I forget) was actually ceded land essentially removed from United States jurisdiction.

Waterboy wrote:

Huh?  I can’t even attempt to guess what you’re trying to communicate.

No surprise to anyone here, ever. Note that it's always, only you. Everyone else has likely figured that out, you just take your time...ask for the help you need.

AGRforever wrote:

I like that idea!!  Never heard it said that way. 

End of the day I’d like them to pick a time and stick with it.

They should have shot every protester that crossed the police line on 1/6. It never should have got to the point it did. It would have only taken 1 or 2. That said I don’t see a ton of difference between 1/6 and the summer of burning after Floyd. 

In fact you could make an argument that the Chaz zone in (Portland or Seattle I forget) was actually ceded land essentially removed from United States jurisdiction.

That happened near where I was working at the time, and many of us were calling for the mayor's and governor's heads for allowing that horror show, along with the protestors tearing up chunks of downtown and businesses in sight of our employee lot.

Funny, when the protestors got to the mayor's home, things changed immediately.

Zanary wrote:

No surprise to anyone here, ever. Note that it's always, only you. Everyone else has likely figured that out, you just take your time...ask for the help you need.

That happened near where I was working at the time, and many of us were calling for the mayor's and governor's heads for allowing that horror show, along with the protestors tearing up chunks of downtown and businesses in sight of our employee lot.

Funny, when the protestors got to the mayor's home, things changed immediately.

I'm pretty sure everybody sees it.  They just don't call you out on it like I do.  You wrote something this time I could understand.  All acts where public and private assets are being destroyed or stolen should be immediately put down with force.  

Also, the govt should never be involved in further promoting violence as now has been proven by the IG report on Jan. 6, though it fell far short of being a true investigation.  It was only launched to provide containment so that the full extent of the govt's involvement behind the scenes wasn't revealed.  Some people deserve a huge punishment for what happened that day, but it's a very small minority of the crowd and should involve members of the govt.  Correspondingly, there's been no punishment for many others that have destroyed our country with their protests during the BLM riots which is disgraceful.

Zanary wrote:
He shouldn't really get a chance, given that he's sworn to pardon Jan. 6th protesters on his first day.

Effectively, he'll be committing treason, which should cause detainment and truly draconian punishment.

I know it won't, but after that point...referring to him as a legit threat to American legislative process and all involved is completely legitimized.

Treason for executing Presidential Pardons or commuting sentences?  There's a few of those Jan 6ers that deserve the longer sentences but most of those charged and convicted were for acts such as criminal trespassing...and many only after serving significant time in jail or home confinement and finally convicted for time served.  By contrast, the Palestinian protesters that were arrested in the Capital rotunda and the Cannon building were released.  By comparison, the vast majority of the BLM were not charged or charged with deferred sentences.

If you truly believe that the majority Jan 6th people were seditionists, look no further than Andrew Johnson who pardoned the Confederates..you know..real insurrectionists.  Did Johnson commit Treason? 

We had the ACT 10 protesters in the WI state capitol for months...virtually none were arrested and virtually none charged.  

When Clinton pardoned the FALN terrorists, he did so stating those that didn't commit violent acts were charged and convicted disproportionately.  Given the lightness of sentences for other protesters, the same would apply here.

badgervike wrote:

Treason for executing Presidential Pardons or commuting sentences?  There's a few of those Jan 6ers that deserve the longer sentences but most of those charged and convicted were for acts such as criminal trespassing...and many only after serving significant time in jail or home confinement and finally convicted for time served.  By contrast, the Palestinian protesters that were arrested in the Capital rotunda and the Cannon building were released.  By comparison, the vast majority of the BLM were not charged or charged with deferred sentences.

If you truly believe that the majority Jan 6th people were seditionists, look no further than Andrew Johnson who pardoned the Confederates..you know..real insurrectionists.  Did Johnson commit Treason? 

We had the ACT 10 protesters in the WI state capitol for months...virtually none were arrested and virtually none charged.  

When Clinton pardoned the FALN terrorists, he did so stating those that didn't commit violent acts were charged and convicted disproportionately.  Given the lightness of sentences for other protesters, the same would apply here.

The seditionists were specifically determined to overthrow an election for their sunkist savior, after he riled them up; I think he should've been in a skin-matching orange jumpsuit since then. I still think that'd be very appropriate.

The various "Palestinian" protesters are typically either unwitting dolts parroting what their professors and/or activist friends tell them, or full-on Iranian plants that exist to create/maintain trouble for us and every Western country...more and more, over the past 15 months. I'd love to see them all charged under anti-terror ordinances.

Andrew Johnson was dealing with a country that had actually gone to war with itself, Trump was arguably trying to start that war. Traitor, willing to goad America into self-destruction for the sake of his ego. How is that not both horrifically obvious and truly disgusting?

Zanary wrote:

The seditionists were specifically determined to overthrow an election for their sunkist savior, after he riled them up; I think he should've been in a skin-matching orange jumpsuit since then. I still think that'd be very appropriate.

The various "Palestinian" protesters are typically either unwitting dolts parroting what their professors and/or activist friends tell them, or full-on Iranian plants that exist to create/maintain trouble for us and every Western country...more and more, over the past 15 months. I'd love to see them all charged under anti-terror ordinances.

Andrew Johnson was dealing with a country that had actually gone to war with itself, Trump was arguably trying to start that war. Traitor, willing to goad America into self-destruction for the sake of his ego. How is that not both horrifically obvious and truly disgusting?

You said that Trump was committing Treason for potentially pardoning the J6 protesters.  I pointed out that a previous President (Johnson) had pardoned actual insurrectionists and was hardly treasonous for doing so.

Remember back in 2016 when Hillary continued to claim she was cheated due to voting machine security issues, voting irregularities and RUSSIAN COLLUSION?  There were protesters during certification of those results as well and Congressional members (Raskin, Waters, I think even your Congresswoman Jayapal among others) attempted to nullify the certification of the election?  Fortunately, no Senator agreed to be part of that nonsense so Biden (as President of Senate) gaveled down the objections because they lacked both a Congressmember and Senator objection for the Joint Session.  Should we perp walk and jail all those people?  How about the Gore / Bush protesters?  Supreme Court protesters?  BLM?  Palestinian?

The hard reality is that a few of the J6 protesters should have been jailed.  That guy from the Proud boys was certainly a seditionist and deserves everything he has coming to him as were a few others. Any that assaulted a police officer...should always be jailed (as they should have for BLM protests..but most weren't).  Hillary still claims to have been cheated btw.  You have to laugh at the chutzpah for claiming Russian collusion as one of the reasons...since she knows it was nonsense.  I see Bill claimed that Hillary once again was cheated out of the election last week.

Trump doesn't bear any more responsibility than BLM speakers or Roe vs Wade speakers..or.. for their actions.  He told them to peacefully protest...and even tried to get them to go home.

The vast majority of the J6 protesters that were charged didn't do anything more egregious than other protesters...and in the case of BLM did significantly less.  The vast majority looked like a goofy hat tour group.  They should have at the most been given deferred sentences that would be expunged at a later date much like many of the BLM protesters.  They certainly shouldn't have been held without bond and without trial.

Your use of "protester" vs "rioter" is as quizzical as CNN's ever was.

Allow me to say, quickly: Jayapal is a s**t person; she was double-speaking all over 10/7 and is just a snarling anti-West and antisemite at every opportunity. Efforts to get her out of office stalled repeatedly...some with my signature and statements on them.

BLM is increasingly obvious as a sham that marketed itself into being over the body of a teen thug who got killed by a wannabe cop asshat; their "protests" were another example of ignorance and rabble rousing...and anyone that did damage should be accountable, everyone of them that assaulted the police should be in jumpsuits, for years.

The Hildebeast is a full-on criminal, with her hubby in tow. One of the great failures of the GOP is to spend so many years swearing to their "peeps" that "HILLARY TO GO DOWN FOR LIBYA" and "HILLARY TO FACE CHARGES FOR..." over and over again, with no actual consequences. Toothless and pointless homophobes with a chapter of white nationalism; thy name is GOP.

I'm certainaly among those convinced that we've eroded our society for generations by eliminating consequences in the name of optics/PR, and it's damaging us with the failures in parenting, business ethics, and especially our elected trash. The fact that a known liar, philanderer, and utter whining b***h at any hint of accountability just re-gained Oval Office privileges shows how deep the damage is.

I went back and can't find any reference I made to rioters...including the molotov cocktail laden BLM "peaceful protesters"

All good my friend. I think we can turn this thread back to our regularly scheduled programming. Speaking of regularly scheduled programming, during the Monday night game the local news broke for the Police Commissioners press conference for the shooting here yesterday. That was fine...and understood...but than the local anchors spent 10 minutes summarizing all the press conference talking points and than they broke to a local reporter who spent another 10 minutes once again reiterating the same talking points. Thankfully, I had ESPN+ on my phone so I could watch the game on my whopping 7 inch display.

badgervike wrote:
I went back and can't find any reference I made to rioters...including the molotov cocktail laden BLM "peaceful protesters"

Hence, my wording: you used "protesters"...when they were rioters. The press did more than enough of that enablement.

Xfinity was out in my area, had to go to a sports bar...enjoyed the game, but I'll never give two f**ks for the "whiteout" unis.

Regardless of political affiliation, I think it would be fair to say everyone is in favor of treating protesters/rioters evenly?

467 people were jailed over January 6. The FBI estimates 2000-2500 participated in the capitol riot. That puts their incarceration rate at 20-25%.

Are there any other examples with an incarceration rate that high?

Still doesn’t change my mind that they should have shot the first person or two over the police line. Would have stopped that BS right there and then.

AGRforever wrote:
Regardless of political affiliation, I think it would be fair to say everyone is in favor of treating protesters/rioters evenly?

467 people were jailed over January 6.  The FBI estimates 2000-2500 participated in the capitol riot. That puts their incarceration rate at 20-25%.

Are there any other examples with an incarceration rate that high?

Still doesn’t change my mind that they should have shot the first person or two over the police line. Would have stopped that BS right there and then.

Do you shoot every protestor that crosses a police line?  I don't think the capitol building is any more important than a police line anywhere.  I do agree with the premise,   lawlessness needs to be treated the same in any situation.  When a protest crosses over the law it becomes a riot and should be shut down with force if necessary,  regardless of the intent.

JimmyinSD wrote:

Do you shoot every protestor that crosses a police line?  I don't think the capitol building is any more important than a police line anywhere.  I do agree with the premise,   lawlessness needs to be treated the same in any situation.  When a protest crosses over the law it becomes a riot and should be shut down with force if necessary,  regardless of the intent.

Crossing a police line should be very, very foolish...but attacking the Capitol building because a pack of drooling drones had been fed bulls**t to the point that they were prepared to assault a central institution of our government?

That's obviously many, many steps more serious, and a genuine threat to our laws/governance. If they're willing to commit a crime of that magnitude, they should be willing to rot like unthinking zealots.

Zanary wrote:
Crossing a police line should be very, very foolish...but attacking the Capitol building because a pack of drooling drones had been fed bulls**t to the point that they were prepared to assault a central institution of our government?

That's obviously many, many steps more serious, and a genuine threat to our laws/governance. If they're willing to commit a crime of that magnitude, they should be willing to rot like unthinking zealots.

Attacking?   tell me you drank the koolaid without saying you drank the koolaid. A small % were guilty,  this was a political theatre by the left and their media minions and you apparently have bought it.  This was the war of the worlds all over again.

Apply logic,  if a group from the right really intended to violently overthrow the govt,  wouldnt they have shown up with a few weapons/guns?  The people that historically hold the 2nd ammendment as dear as a commandment from God,  but no guns that i recall.  To much of this defies logic to be taken at face value.  This was orchestrated by the left(FBI plants) and about the only thing  most of these people are guilty of is being gullible enough to follow a crowd.

JimmyinSD wrote:

Attacking?   tell me you drank the koolaid without saying you drank the koolaid. A small % were guilty,  this was a political theatre by the left and their media minions and you apparently have bought it.  This was the war of the worlds all over again.

Apply logic,  if a group from the right really intended to violently overthrow the govt,  wouldnt they have shown up with a few weapons/guns?  The people that historically hold the 2nd ammendment as dear as a commandment from God,  but no guns that i recall.  To much of this defies logic to be taken at face value.  This was orchestrated by the left(FBI plants) and about the only thing  most of these people are guilty of is being gullible enough to follow a crowd.

Say you're covered in orange dust without saying you're covered in orange dust. I've pointed out how you've defended out past/future liar in chief before, and you're determined to keep that powder all over you. Hey, maybe it's a look in SD.

Sending a pack of largely unarmed (though some were prepared, by their own admission) blind loyalists into a horrible situation is pure terrorism 101, and more than 80 admitted to being armed with bear spray and other non-firearm weaponry; even the dinks stupid enough to mob the Capitol knew that a massive show of firearms would bring all forms of law enforcement and Guard in a hurry, setting up the unholy Chee-To as a full traitor with a pet militia.

Going after the computers and similar in the congressional quarters? Dude...I get that you and at least one other have binary minds, and if I'm not leaning right I MUST be a lefty...but I'm not limited to your itsy-bitsy scopes of reality, mmmkay? Please keep those limits to yourselves, and maybe wonder if they're a huge part of the problem (hint: they are).

This was almost as awful, still as cowardly, still defended by people determined to ignore the investigations and similar that ratified the election, and was s**t, commited by dumb s**t, spurred on by a known narcissistic lying sack of s**t.
The true horror is that the returning filth LOVED the attention, obviously still basks in it.

Zanary wrote:
Crossing a police line should be very, very foolish...but attacking the Capitol building because a pack of drooling drones had been fed bulls**t to the point that they were prepared to assault a central institution of our government?

That's obviously many, many steps more serious, and a genuine threat to our laws/governance. If they're willing to commit a crime of that magnitude, they should be willing to rot like unthinking zealots.

Yes. The police line was set up to protect the capitol building. There should have been secret service protecting politicians etc. 

Yes they should have shot them. Those folks who burned down the police station. Shoot em. Thugs go “shopping” in Target during a riot. Shoot em. Problems solved.

Zanary wrote:

Say you're covered in orange dust without saying you're covered in orange dust. I've pointed out how you've defended out past/future liar in chief before, and you're determined to keep that powder all over you. Hey, maybe it's a look in SD.

Sending a pack of largely unarmed (though some were prepared, by their own admission) blind loyalists into a horrible situation is pure terrorism 101, and more than 80 admitted to being armed with bear spray and other non-firearm weaponry; even the dinks stupid enough to mob the Capitol knew that a massive show of firearms would bring all forms of law enforcement and Guard in a hurry, setting up the unholy Chee-To as a full traitor with a pet militia.

Going after the computers and similar in the congressional quarters? Dude...I get that you and at least one other have binary minds, and if I'm not leaning right I MUST be a lefty...but I'm not limited to your itsy-bitsy scopes of reality, mmmkay? Please keep those limits to yourselves, and maybe wonder if they're a huge part of the problem (hint: they are).

This was almost as awful, still as cowardly, still defended by people determined to ignore the investigations and similar that ratified the election, and was s**t, commited by dumb s**t, spurred on by a known narcissistic lying sack of s**t.
The true horror is that the returning filth LOVED the attention, obviously still basks in it.

Have you ever repsonded to somebody that disagrees with you without trying to belittle them?  Your juvenile posting style has worn thin,  i wont bother with you anymore,  you just arent worth my time.  Go ahead and try and berate me in response,   i won't reply.

JimmyinSD wrote:

Have you ever repsonded to somebody that disagrees with you without trying to belittle them?  Your juvenile posting style has worn thin,  i wont bother with you anymore,  you just arent worth my time.  Go ahead and try and berate me in response,   i won't reply.

Whatever, hypocrite...you're hardly innocent on this matter.

Go enable those echo chambers, and hey...you've also spread disinformation on another thread, so it's really not about anything I say...it's what you choose to do.