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purplefaithful
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I didnt realize we have the 5th oldest roster in the league...

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Two losses in five days triggered fatalist impulses from a corner of the fan base who used the loss of left tackle Christian Darrisaw to season-ending ACL and MCL injuries to convince themselves the Vikings’ season was doomed. Indeed, the injuries to Darrisaw’s left knee create a concern at another key position where adequate mid-season replacements aren’t easy to find.

“Those conversations are going on as we speak,” head coach Kevin O’Connell said Friday. “When you talk about that mentality of trying to get the best five guys in there, I feel like this is where your O-line depth that we felt good about, gives you possibilities. We’ll figure out what the best plan of attack is. I think there are multiple options on the table.”

As they’re scouring the trade market, the Vikings can put offensive tackle alongside defensive tackle, cornerback and possibly a skill position acquisition on their shopping list. They’ll have to operate with pragmatism, with so many areas they could address and just three draft picks currently in their 2025 stash. But even if the Vikings were to make a big move before the deadline, history suggests they might do so with an eye beyond this year, anyway.

They were off to a surprising 6-1 start two years ago, when they sent a 2023 second-round pick and 2024 third-rounder to Detroit for tight end T.J. Hockenson and a pair of Day 3 picks in 2023 and 2024. The Vikings had lost tight end Irv Smith Jr. for the season, but Hockenson gave the Vikings a better pass-catcher anyway, and the fact that he was a first-round pick meant he wasn’t scheduled to hit free agency until 2024.

“We’re always trying to solve this riddle we have, trying to build the best team with the constraints , with the salary cap being one of them,” General Manager Kwesi Adofo-Mensah said after the Vikings made the trade in 2022. “We like the contract. We also like the player: the skill set, what he provides to this offense, how he allows us to play, hopefully this year and next.”

The Vikings have achieved their first-half success with the NFL’s fifth-oldest roster, full of veterans who’ve delivered impressive results on one-year contracts. That’s helped the Vikings remain in playoff contention after moving on from Kirk Cousins, with Sam Darnold having the best season of his career, but it also means their window isn’t fully open yet.

They face decisions on their top three cornerbacks (Stephon Gilmore, Byron Murphy Jr. and Shaq Griffin), who are all free agents after the season, and running back Aaron Jones will hit the open market again after his 30th birthday in December. Valuable role players like Kamu Grugier-Hill, Jihad Ward, Jonathan Bullard and Johnny Mundt will be free agents, and the Vikings will have to decide on a long-term deal for safety Camryn Bynum right as Harrison Smith becomes a free agent weeks after his 36th birthday. And if J.J. McCarthy is ready to take over after returning from his torn right meniscus, the Vikings could be in line for another QB transition next year.

Cousins’ departure figures to net them a third-round compensatory pick next year, but the Vikings currently have only their first-rounder and two fifth-rounders. They’ll have more cap space than in years, with upward of $60 million to build their roster, but they need long-term answers at cornerback, help on the defensive line, a succession plan at running back and possibly another pass-catcher to ease McCarthy’s transition, in addition to defensive depth and a possible short-term fill-in for Darrisaw.

It’s enough that if the Vikings make a big move at the trade deadline, they could be inclined to focus on players who gave them what Hockenson did in 2022: immediate help with long-term flexibility. For example: Browns cornerback Greg Newsome II is just 24, with a fifth-year option for 2025. He wouldn’t come cheap, but a young corner who’d fit the Vikings’ scheme might be worth dealing the 2025 first-round pick, especially if the choice could be late in the first round.

As they return from their mini-bye, the Vikings will spend plenty of time rifling through options to improve a team that, even after back-to-back losses, still has strong playoff hopes in the NFC.

“I’ve got to make sure I’m pushing us to reach our truest potential as a team this year because I believe that is a special thing,” O’Connell said after the Rams loss on Thursday night. “I believe that now more than ever.”

That potential is part of the riddle Adofo-Mensah mentioned two years ago and never stops trying to crack. So is McCarthy’s readiness, Dallas Turner’s ability to become an every-down edge rusher, Justin Jefferson’s continued excellence and the Vikings’ future draft capital. On Thursday night, Darrisaw’s health became a piece of the riddle.

Source: Startribune

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

#1 · Oct 26, 5:08 AM
MaroonBells
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Vikings roster is old because of 4 players: DePaola, Harry, Gilmore and Quessenberry. Take those 4 away and it's top 5 youngest. 

Based on your subject line I thought this was going to be a discussion about the Vikings being buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. Yes, someone on Twitter actually said the Vikings should be sellers now. As if the Vikings are in the same position as the Panthers and Titans. I swear, no fanbase overreacts to a loss quite like the Vikings.

#2 · Oct 26, 5:41 AM
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MaroonBells wrote:
Vikings roster is old because of 4 players: DePaola, Harry, Gilmore and Quessenberry. Take those 4 away and it's top 5 youngest.  Based on your subject line I thought this was going to be a discussion about the Vikings being buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. Yes, someone on Twitter actually said the Vikings should be sellers now. As if the Vikings are in the same position as the Panthers and Titans. I swear, no fanbase overreacts to a loss quite like the Vikings.

^^ at the bold

Thats interesting, I dont expect Gilmore or Harry to be back next season. 

I forgot we signed Jones for 1 season. 

No, I dont expect seller behaviors from the Vikings the next 10 days either. They could be buyers if the right player/position/contract becomes available (ala TJH).

edited Oct 26, 2024 6:21 AM

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

#3 · Oct 26, 5:50 AM
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We are one bad Rodgers pass from having lost 3 in a row. Just like last year Flores has to use lots of trickery to make up for a lack of defensive talent, once teams figure that out and you get a look behind the curtain there is no DL and a porous group of corners. Especially with the Darrisaw injury, I don't see any reason to be a buyer as we are last wild card spot at best, also do not see any reason to cash in and sell. 3 years of poor drafting is hurting us. Right now we have one legit starter in the past 3 drafts and he is a WR who doesn't seem to have his head in the game most of the time. Great job by staff for getting what they have from this roster.

#4 · Oct 26, 8:35 AM
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On the oldest roster. Couldn’t you take away every teams 4 oldest and tell a different story?

#5 · Oct 27, 3:36 AM
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AGRforever wrote:
On the oldest roster. Couldn’t you take away every teams 4 oldest and tell a different story?

Yes you could. That's why I came to the conclusion a couple years ago that roster age is misleading, if not completely ridiculous. What matters is the core of your roster. If the bulk of that is over 30, you're in trouble. Outside of the 4 listed above, the Vikings have just six players who are 30 or older: Moreau, Ward, Feeney, KGH, Ham and Bullard...not exactly the heart of our roster. 

The heart of our roster--JJM, Turner, Jefferson, Addison, TJH, Darrisaw, Brandel, Pace, Greenard, Metellus, Bynum--are between 21 and 27.

#6 · Oct 27, 4:08 AM
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RB is something that has my attention for 25...

CB and IDL are high on all our lists, but if Jones walks or retires or hits the cliff????

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

#7 · Oct 27, 4:51 AM
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no talk on the rumors of Addison taking a page out of the Diggs playbook with a cryptic tweet this weekend?

"Free 3"

is that him wanting out,  or is that him essentially "feed 3"?

his numbers on the year are pretty unimpressive,  especially you have JJ as the other WR ( yes I know he was injured) I do scratch my head when I see them lined up on the same side as each other,  you know in most instances JJ is going to have a S over the top,  why  start Addy with the same handicap, especially when our OL is hit or miss on protection.  I think KOC is going to have to get really creative to keep those 2 happy now that Hock is back...basically they need to get back to winning, which is going to be harder now the CD is done.

Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?

#8 · Oct 28, 8:52 AM
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StickierBuns wrote:

Apparently, he said that about Reichard. Saying that any time the Vikings get past the 50 yard line, its going to be a 'free 3' because of Reichard. No idea if that is accurate or not.

i suppose its possible, although I am skeptical

Why isn't Chuck Foreman in the Hall of Fame?

#9 · Oct 28, 9:51 AM
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I've just felt all along that front office has its eyes on 2025 and was ready to take this season for whatever happened. "Worst case" ...Darnold didn't pan out at all, we suck for the first half of the year and maybe get the rook some experience. As it is, McCarthy went down for the year (which is likely a blessing in disguise) and Darnold has played relatively decent ball. I think regardless of what scenario played out, the F.O. is just looking to stand pat and "finish" the rebuild next year. I think the only way that changes is if a young "game changer" type on the OL or Defensively comes available. They'll tell you differently, but the playoffs could not have been in the plans heading into the year.

Out of the 22 UFAs we have next year: I think Bynum is almost a lock for an extension, probably Byron Murphy, and MAYBE Aaron Jones on a lower "third down back" Eckler-esque 2yr 8Mil kinda contract. Other than that....I think everyone with expiring contracts is history. I think the Vikings want absolutely as much cap flexibility as possible next year.

#10 · Oct 28, 12:11 PM
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