Dallas Turner

purplefaithful wrote:
I know the dude got hurt, needs to put on some strength...

Ive seen him looking to be getting some pressures and dropping back into coverages at times. 

I hope he can pick it up the remainder of the season. I had higher (maybe unrealistic) hopes

4 solo tackles
2 Assists
1 sack

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/_/id/4565190/dallas-turner

Remember he won’t turn 22 until February.  He’s in a good spot but doesn’t have his man muscles yet.

I'm fine if they save Turner a bit. Van Ginkel and Greenard should be ahead of him with the way they are playing and Patrick Jones has been great as a rotational rusher. Plus we don't want Turner wearing out with the grind of a longer NFL season compared to college. Let him continue to develop so he's ready to rock for the latter half of the season and playoffs.

I mean, who do you want to take off the field?

Like I hope he gets more production at some point, but it's hard to be disappointed when the other guys are playing well.

I was blown away with a play he made yesterday where he came way from the outside and got to the RB in the backfield on a big play, didn't know he was that lightning quick, think with that kind of speed and athleticism we are going to see him progressively contribute more as the year goes on.

He hasn't had the kind of impact Micah Parsons had early on, but I think it's important to remember that he's playing in a Flores system, where he's been asked to play a variety of roles. They're likely bringing him along slowly simply because they can. Greenard, Gink and Jones have been terrific. I think Turner will start to have more impact later in the season and next year.

Kevin O'Connell praises Vikings rookie Dallas Turner amid shrinking role

"He's gonna be an absolute monster for us," KOC said of the 21-year-old.

One of the Vikings' first-round picks this year, injured quarterback J.J. McCarthy, watched Sunday's game against the Lions from the home sideline. Their other first-round pick spent most of his afternoon doing the same thing.

Outside linebacker Dallas Turner, the No. 17 overall pick in this year's draft, played a season-low four defensive snaps in the loss against Detroit. His main role, as was the case over the previous couple weeks, was on special teams, where he played 20 snaps.

Turner played 35 snaps on defense and notched his first career sack in the Vikings' season opener against the Giants. But since returning from a one-week injury absence, he's played 28 snaps over the last three games combined. Instead of expanding over the course of his rookie season, Turner's role is getting smaller and smaller.

Asked about that dynamic on Monday, head coach Kevin O'Connell gave a strong defense of the Vikings' 21-year-old rookie out of Alabama.

"Yeah, he's working through it," O'Connell said. "He's a young player in a defense where the roles and responsibilities sometimes in-game can adjust based on what we're seeing. I think we've got a really deep outside linebacker room with Gink (Andrew Van Ginkel) and (Jonathan) Greenard, Pat Jones, and then Haddy (Jihad Ward) has got his role. We're going to continue to see Dallas have an impact. It may be a growing thing as we go here, but trust me, I've got a ton of confidence in Dallas. He's growing within a pretty high-level IQ defense."

Those two contextual factors — the players he's behind on the depth chart and the complexity of the team's scheme — help explain why Turner isn't playing much on a team that's fully in win-now mode. 

Greenard and Van Ginkel are two of the better OLBs in the league, and Jones has thrived in a rotational role behind them this season. Those three are tied for the team lead with five sacks apiece. And in Flores' defense, there's a lot more than just rushing the passer off the edge that goes into playing the OLB position.

That doesn't mean it isn't slightly concerning to see Turner's role shrinking, but it does make it a bit more understandable. O'Connell is still quite confident in his long-term outlook.

"I think he's an incredible fit in our defense, not only in the present but in the future as well," he said. "He's gonna be an absolute monster for us. But sometimes, the way the game flow goes, there might be — what personnel are they using and how do we wanna match that personnel, things like that. ... I think DT's growing every single day. I'm more excited about him now than I was even when we drafted him."

Source: Sports Illustrated

Turner's gonna be fine, but he did get sucked inside the traffic on that first long run by Gibbs. I think if the starters weren't playing so well we'd be seeing a lot more of Turner, sacks, mistakes and all.

Danielle Hunter started one game as a rookie. John Randle didn't start any and had 1 sack his rookie season. Chris Doleman had a half a sack his rookie season.

I thought Turner would be like Parson. Put him in different positions along the D-line and tell him to go get the ball. Guess Flo D is more like chess then checkers

Time for Vikings' first-rounder Dallas Turner to play more?

EAGAN, Minn. -- After a quiet start to his rookie season, Minnesota Vikings linebacker Dallas Turner finally made some noise in recent days, though it's difficult to determine what it means. Was it a sign that Turner has worked his way into a regular role on a veteran defense that hasn't really needed him? Or was it simply a temporary appearance necessitated by the health of those around him?

The product of the most costly draft-day trade in Vikings history, the first-rounder played 24 snaps in the team's 21-13 victory Sunday night over the Indianapolis Colts. His snap count totaled more than his previous three games combined and was by far his highest total in a single game since Week 1 -- but it does not appear to have been planned.

Starter Andrew Van Ginkel had a minor health issue during the game, defensive coordinator Brian Flores said Tuesday, and "Dallas was the next guy in." Turner responded with six pressures on 10 pass rushes, according to NFL Next Gen Stats, and it was enough to merit continued time on the field.

"Gink said he was ready to go back in," Flores said, "and we just kept the same kind of grouping for the remainder of the game. And Dallas did a few good things as well.

That's a deep room. There's a lot of good players in there, and by and large we're going to go with the hot hand."

The issue of Turner's playing time had grown into a recurring weekly theme this season for some Vikings fans and media members, even as the team maintained a defense that ranked No. 1 in the NFL via DVOA. Turner was drafted after the Vikings signed Van Ginkel and fellow outside linebacker Jonathan Greenard in free agency, and they have played so well that it has been hard to get them off the field.

Greenard is tied for sixth in the NFL in sacks (7) and is ninth in pressures (27), according to ESPN Research, while Van Ginkel has five sacks and two interception returns for touchdowns. Both have played 80% of the Vikings' defensive snaps, while veteran backup Pat Jones II (five sacks) has played 50%.

Turner played 51.5% of the defensive snaps during the Vikings' Week 1 blowout of the New York Giants but then was largely relegated to special teams after suffering a minor knee injury in Week 2. There are 93 NFL rookies with more total snaps than him this season, including 55 who have played more snaps on defense. Overall, Turner has played nearly as many snaps on special teams (101) as he has on defense (107). His defensive snap count represents 20% of the team's total defensive plays.

The sight of a first-round pass rusher lining up as a guard on punt coverage was alarming, but the question was why.

Was Turner simply buried on a depth chart stocked with highly performing players? Or was he already sinking into the pit that has swallowed many other recent Vikings draft choices. Most notably, 2022 first-round pick Lewis Cine, who managed only 10 defensive snaps as a safety over two injury-filled seasons before the Vikings waived him this summer. He is now working on converting to linebacker as a member of the Buffalo Bills' practice squad.

Both Flores and coach Kevin O'Connell have been quick to defend Turner's development. O'Connell, whose draft-day facial reaction to Turner's selection quickly became a social media meme, projected last month that he would one day be an "absolute monster."

Flores compared Turner to Pittsburgh Steelers defensive lineman Cameron Heyward, a first-round pick in 2011 who did not become a starter until his third season.

"I've heard the talk about the snap counts," Flores said, "and I think it's just hard to make a determination on a player and what he is based on seven games, especially early in his career. I think Dallas is going to be just fine. Everybody kind of wants everything right now. He does too."

Turner, of course, is not simply a first-round draft pick. Although it's no fault of his own, his career will always be viewed in the full context of his arrival. The Vikings used a total of seven draft picks in a series of moves to select him at No. 17, including one in the first round, two in the second and one in the third. In the raw terms of draft capital, the Vikings used the equivalent of two mid-first-round picks to acquire him, according to ESPN Analytics. Put another way by ESPN's Bill Barnwell, the value of what it took to draft Turner was roughly the same as the No. 1 overall pick.

At those prices, it's not unfair to expect both instant and long-term impact.

Turner's most notable plays have been a Week 1 sack of Giants quarterback Daniel Jones and a fourth-down stop of New York Jets running back Braelon Allen in Week 5. But of all the people who have commented on his season, Turner seems the least concerned.

"The one thing that I kind of wanted to really stand on going into my rookie year," he said, "is to just really be a sponge and learn the most that you possibly can as fast as you can, so the wheels get rolling faster.

"So basically just coming into my rookie year, just knowing the room I was coming into with the defense, just all the great minds in the building and stuff like that. I knew I had a very, very big opportunity to be a sponge. Just soak up all the information I can and just make it to my own way."

He began making that way in Week 9, but the Vikings are in no hurry to accelerate his path.

Source: ESPN (Seifert)

Cashman healthy, TJ back, Turner coming on...just stay healthy and this team can make some postseason noise.

MaroonBells wrote:
Cashman healthy, TJ back, Turner coming on...just stay healthy and this team can make some postseason noise.

ITs been too long since this team won a playoff game. 

2017 is a long ways back since their last NFCCG. 

Staying healthy and maybe being able to even host a playoff game would be huge. Far more than I dared consider for 24 and Darnold at QB. 
Imagine hosting someone like the Eagles at home vs playing there...

It's time to stack some wins as Sticky pointed out.

Draft capital is something that really needs to be maximized. A non-QB taken near the top half of the draft really needs to be someone who can come in and be an impact player and not a developmental guy. Now factor in that you also gave up a 3rd, 4th and 5th in addition to your 1st and it is even more important that the player pay immediate dividends. After signing Greenard and Van Ginkel and having Jones was edge rusher the area to go all in on? How would the defense look with Quinyon Mitchell instead? It is way to early to know if it was the right move and chances are Turner becomes the player he was drafted to be and it works out, but with very little contributions from the last 3 drafts it is something that is going to be more heightened than it may if we have been hitting on other picks.

What an annoying article that is. It doesn’t actually talk about his strengths or areas he can or is improving in. All it does is add more fuel to the “everybody wants everything right now” that it has in it. The picks were traded, no need to keep mentioning it after only 8 games. Edge is an area the team is deep right now, and that is a great thing.

If I was writing an article, I would say that the Vikings were kind of shallow at edge behind Hunter, and it was a big hole/concern heading into the offseason. The team took multiple shots to address it, both through FA and the trades to get Turner. So far the results have been fantastic. They are receiving expected production from Greenard, beyond expectations with Van Ginkel, and Jones started hot to compliment the group. That has translated into Turner filling in here and there amidst a great start for the team. His pass rush looks like it will translate very well in the league, and he can improve on his rush defense. It’s a great spot for both the team and Turner to be in. If he keeps developing, he could be a difference maker late this season, and who know how far he can go in the coming years.

Is it that hard to put a different & accurate article out there? Rather than repeating the Should we be worried? narrative.

"Turner, of course, is not simply a first-round draft pick. Although it's no fault of his own, his career will always be viewed in the full context of his arrival. The Vikings used a total of seven draft picks in a series of moves to select him at No. 17, including one in the first round, two in the second and one in the third. In the raw terms of draft capital, the Vikings used the equivalent of two mid-first-round picks to acquire him, according to ESPN Analytics. Put another way by ESPN's Bill Barnwell, the value of what it took to draft Turner was roughly the same as the No. 1 overall pick."

This is such a convoluted calculation. First of all, in what world can you give up two middle 1sts for the 1st overall pick? Remember all the talk in April about how many picks it would've taken just to move up to the Patriots 3rd overall pick? Yeah, me too. 

Also, they're including picks used in other transactions, which is misleading. The Vikings wanted the two 1sts to have the ammo to move up for the QB they wanted...if'n they needed it. That had separate value. 

At the end of the day, the Vikings ended up trading a late 5th, along with a future 3rd and 4th to move up six spots for the consensus best defensive player in the draft. I have no problem with that.  Nor do I have a problem with Turner's slow start. Give the kid some time. He's an edge on a team with three other edges who are having good seasons.

MaroonBells wrote:
"Turner, of course, is not simply a first-round draft pick. Although it's no fault of his own, his career will always be viewed in the full context of his arrival. The Vikings used a total of seven draft picks in a series of moves to select him at No. 17, including one in the first round, two in the second and one in the third. In the raw terms of draft capital, the Vikings used the equivalent of two mid-first-round picks to acquire him, according to ESPN Analytics. Put another way by ESPN's Bill Barnwell, the value of what it took to draft Turner was roughly the same as the No. 1 overall pick."

This is such a convoluted calculation. First of all, in what world can you give up two middle 1sts for the 1st overall pick? Remember all the talk in April about how many picks it would've taken just to move up to the Patriots 3rd overall pick? Yeah, me too. 

Also, they're including picks used in other transactions, which is misleading. The Vikings wanted the two 1sts to have the ammo to move up for the QB they wanted...if'n they needed it. That had separate value. 

At the end of the day, the Vikings ended up trading a late 5th, along with a future 3rd and 4th to move up six spots for the consensus best defensive player in the draft. I have no problem with that.  Nor do I have a problem with Turner's slow start. Give the kid some time. He's an edge on a team with three other edges who are having good seasons.

Three is a BIG LEARNING CURVE for Edges in Flo's D...These guys gotta read and change what they're doing based on what they are seeing real-time on the field

Thats going to take time.

… I think I saw him once today :/

I'm officially worried about Turner. He's played in 8 games and has 8 tackles. His PFF grade this past week was lowest on the defense. His snaps aren't increasing. Hopefully he's a late bloomer but to say it's been a disappointing rookie year would be an understatement. He was the DROY favorite at one point wasn't he? The heck happened

Quinyon Mitchell, PHI CB rookie, locked down Terry McLaurin last night. Extremely impressive. He's been shutting down WR1s all year.

I guess I'm going to keep posting sad Turner adjacent factoids in here by myself. Why? Unsure.

pattersaur wrote:
Quinyon Mitchell, PHI CB rookie, locked down Terry McLaurin last night. Extremely impressive. He's been shutting down WR1s all year.

I guess I'm going to keep posting sad Turner adjacent factoids in here by myself. Why? Unsure.

I suspect its because fans are still rooting for Turner to turn the corner and aren't that interested in how other teams rookies are doing in comparison? 

Its pretty safe to say at this point that the #1 draft choices from last year wont contribute much in 24. 

Fingers crossed for 25!

I think people forget that among our FA signings and draft additions at Edge, was Greenard and Van Ginkel and of course Turner. Our losses included Hunter and DJ Wonnum (who is now starting to break out for Carolina after healing from injury). At the time we plucked Turner in the first round, we thought we had a good one in Greenard, but my sense is that Van Ginkel was more of an unknown, coming off an injury that kept him out of minicamps.

Putting it into perspective, I think it appears that Van Ginkel is every bit the stud that Kwesi (and BFlo) thought he was, while he was a mostly unknown quantity to us. An embarrassment of riches (almost, at that particular position). Turner will get more snaps, and Gink and Greenard will get banged up as the season goes on.

Bottom line, I think that the emergence of Gink in BFlo's defense was the pleasant surprise, keeping Turner off the field more than anyone would have guessed.