Trevor Lawrence gets paid

$55M AAV ties Joe Burrow for highest in the league. I'm actually a little surprised he didn't blow right past that. I kinda have a hunch the rest of the league looks at that Burrow deal as a little nutso.

Maybe now he can afford a haircut...

Seems there’s a glaring omission from this list… :angel:

Haven't seen much from him in the games I've watched. Jags break the bank for slightly above average.

Kentis wrote:
Seems there’s a glaring omission from this list… :angel:

...like, maybe the QB with the recent jewelry?

I'm also confused, I was told that our now-former QB was paid more than everyone, even more than the national deficit, according the hater club...!

With these kind of QB AAV's, how do you keep a Mahomes and Hill skill level together?

Longer term?

I guess u dont...

purplefaithful wrote:
With these kind of QB AAV's, how do you keep a Mahomes and Hill skill level together?

Longer term?

I guess u dont...

Good question. I think you can do it, but the rest of your team is going to be crap. But you can win a Super Bowl with a team like that. The Rams won it paying Stafford, Donald and Ramsey big money. But some areas of the roster were well below average: IOL, ILB, S

Think NFL players are overpaid? I still remember Larry Bird's ridiculous 5 year, $25M contract in the 80s. I thought 5 million each and every year?!! Madness.  

Chris Haynes@ChrisBHaynes
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MaroonBells wrote:
Think NFL players are overpaid? I still remember Larry Bird's ridiculous 5 year, $25M contract in the 80s. I thought 5 million each and every year?!! Madness.  

Chris Haynes@ChrisBHaynes
BREAKING: Boston Celtics and star Jayson Tatum have reached an agreement on a five-year, $315M supermax extension with a player option that is the largest contract in NBA history, league sources tell @NBAonTNT.

MLB is crazy too...

While there is a contingent of people that don't like athletes playing a game getting paid a lot of money, most people here are just talking about not paying midlevel QBs because it inhibits our ability to pay other players and maximize the talent on our roster.

medaille wrote:
While there is a contingent of people that don't like athletes playing a game getting paid a lot of money, most people here are just talking about not paying midlevel QBs because it inhibits our ability to pay other players and maximize the talent on our roster.

...says every fan ever. But if all 32 teams are in the same boat, and they are, doesn't it make that fact irrelevant? 

For example, if in 4 years McCarthy is a promising mid-level QB, he's going to get paid. And like all players, he'll be paid based on what they expect him to do in the future more than what he's done up to that point. And, yes, like all other teams with an expensive QB, that will inhibit what we can spend on the roster around him. But if we don't pay him, another team will, and we'll start over at QB.

Some have mentioned a QB salary cap, but how would that help anyone but the owners, who are already making absurd amounts of money regardless of how much they pay their QB? Those big QB contracts are afforded using dollars saved in the dwindling contracts of other positions, particularly RB. The owners see to that. They are the one constant in all of this: no matter what, they always get paid. 

Ever notice that nobody ever bitches about what the owners get paid, via massive revenue from TV contracts, ticket sales, $16 beers, etc? And that doesn't even include the valuation of the team itself. The Wilfs bought the Vikings for $600M. The team's value is now is nearly $5 billion. Wish I got that kind of ROI on my investments!

The only way to get an advantage over other teams is to draft a QB who can win you a championship on his rookie deal. No easy task, but that's why teams will move heaven and earth, often mortgaging their future, to get in position to draft one.

MaroonBells wrote:

...says every fan ever. But if all 32 teams are in the same boat, and they are, doesn't it make that fact irrelevant? 

For example, if in 4 years McCarthy is a promising mid-level QB, he's going to get paid. And like all players, he'll be paid based on what they expect him to do in the future more than what he's done up to that point. And, yes, like all other teams with an expensive QB, that will inhibit what we can spend on the roster around him. But if we don't pay him, another team will, and we'll start over at QB.

Some have mentioned a QB salary cap, but how would that help anyone but the owners, who are already making absurd amounts of money regardless of how much they pay their QB? Those big QB contracts are afforded using dollars saved in the dwindling contracts of other positions, particularly RB. The owners see to that. They are the one constant in all of this: no matter what, they always get paid. 

Ever notice that nobody ever bitches about what the owners get paid, via massive revenue from TV contracts, ticket sales, $16 beers, etc? And that doesn't even include the valuation of the team itself. The Wilfs bought the Vikings for $600M. The team's value is now is nearly $5 billion. Wish I got that kind of ROI on my investments!

The only way to get an advantage over other teams is to draft a QB who can win you a championship on his rookie deal. No easy task, but that's why teams will move heaven and earth, often mortgaging their future, to get in position to draft one.

In 4 years, you’re going to know if he’s elite-ish or not elite.  Especially with our supporting cast, the elite guys are going to shine or they aren’t.  There’s no such thing as a promising QB going into their 5th season.  Sure maybe they haven’t already been to a SB yet, but you sure as shit know if they’re shining like the great ones.  If you don’t have an elite QB, your odds of winning a SB are almost zero.  The 3-5 teams with an elite QB (warning:  BS numbers ahead) probably have 80% chance that one of them is winning the SB.  The other 27-29 teams are sharing that other 20%.  Sure a team like the Rams can mortgage their future, go all in, remain injury-free, and it can work out, but that’s not a likely strategy.
 
You keep phrasing things as if the only option is to draft one and only one QB and then wait 4-5 years and at that point, if he’s mid you’re forced to make a choice out of desperation on whether to keep your mid QB for a ton of money or hope that a new savior is there to be picked.
 
Do you know who didn’t mortgage the future to get their QBs?  The teams that drafted Brady, Rodgers, Mahomes, Wilson, Lamar Jackson, Hurt, Brees, Favre, etc.  Obviously, some of those guys went on to become more successful after a trade, but elite QBs are available at any draft pick, you just have to have the stones to pick them when they are available.  They’re probably not going to be available the one year you desperately need a QB, you have to be willing to draft them when they’re available, not when you need them.  The worst case scenario of drafting a good QB is that you can trade them for more than you paid to get them.  The worst case scenario is that you draft a bust, but you can draft a bust at any position.  But you probably aren’t going to a SB if you don’t draft an elite QB, so you just have to decide if you want the process of drafting that elite QB to take 10-15 years or 45 years.

In 4 years, if we haven't made it to the NFC championship at least or if JJM isn't in the MVP talks, we should be starting the QB we drafted in 2026, and cutting bait on our mid-QB.

medaille wrote:

In 4 years, you’re going to know if he’s elite-ish or not elite.  Especially with our supporting cast, the elite guys are going to shine or they aren’t.  There’s no such thing as a promising QB going into their 5th season.  Sure maybe they haven’t already been to a SB yet, but you sure as shit know if they’re shining like the great ones.  If you don’t have an elite QB, your odds of winning a SB are almost zero.  

What about Trevor Lawrence? I actually think he's the perfect example of what we're both talking about. Is he elite? Is he promising? Was he worthy of his new contract?

MaroonBells wrote:

What about Trevor Lawrence? I actually think he's the perfect example of what we're both talking about. Is he elite? Is he promising? Was he worthy of his new contract?

No
Maybe
No

JimmyinSD wrote:

No
Maybe
No

So if you're the Jags GM, you move on?

MaroonBells wrote:

What about Trevor Lawrence? I actually think he's the perfect example of what we're both talking about. Is he elite? Is he promising? Was he worthy of his new contract?

To be honest, I’ve probably watched one Jaguar game since he’s been drafted.  I’m probably the last person that should be judging whether or not he’s worthy of that contract.  Mostly I don’t think I would have paid him this year, unless it gives the team a shorter level of commitment and an easier out.  There wasn’t a need for them to resign him after year 3.  I would have waited until after year 4.
 
I think in an ideal world you would already have another guy in the pipeline, but the Jaguars haven’t really had an opportunity to go get that next guy.  They probably would be stuck paying him as I don’t think you should get rid of your good QB without having the next one in the pipeline or at least feeling confident that the next one will be available.   From my limited perspective, he hasn’t shined enough to make me feel comfortable that he’s the man, so I’d still be actively looking for another QB and I probably would have waited until after the 2025 draft to resign him, as maybe he pulls a Cousins and gets injured for half the season and their team is in position to draft a promising QB.

Looking at overthecap, I don’t think this contract is too horrible. There’s kind of two pathways. If he is mid, it’s basically a 4 year $175M extension, so $44M a year and they’ll cut him after 2028 season. If he balls out, they’ll have to resign him and start getting obnoxious void year type deals. If he’s not elite by 2028, I think he’s almost certain to get cut. I still think it’s a little bit of an overcommit in terms of how many years they’re committed to him as they’re committed for 5 seasons, which you shouldn’t be committed to a mid guy for that long. I guess they’re hoping that he rapidly outgrows that contract so it looks like a steal.

I think you can make an argument that they could've waited a year. But what would you have to pay him then? Likely a lot more since the Jags are an improving team. 

I just think there would be an absolute feeding frenzy if a QB like Lawrence hit the open market. The guy's only 24 years old, played only 3 seasons, the 1st of which was pretty bad, but it was a terrible 3-14 team. I mean, the whole reason they were able to draft Lawrence #1 overall is because they were 1-15 the year before. Since then, they've put a little more talent around him and they've had back-to-back winning seasons with a division title and Lawrence throwing for over 4,000 yards in each.

I think his potential 2, 4, 10 years down the road is enormous. And that's what they're paying for.