Kirk is pissed about Penix

JR44 wrote:

Who was going to throw the ball in that case to get us over the hump?  Culpepper was the best deep thrower in our history and was part of our most exciting years offensively.  He took us to a NFC championship game and had one of the best playoff performances by a Viking in our amazing win over GB in Lamblow.  Unfortunately, he was not the same after his injury, but by far was the right pick.

Well that wasn't my point, Sorry, I guess I should have made that more clear.
I never said he wasn't good. I really liked Daunte.
In 99 we also had Jeff George and a rookie QB wasn't going to start. If we picked Jevon Kearse we would have had a better chance to get to the Superbowl that year.

All the anger at Kirk was always stupid, and still is. He's top 5 in Vikings QB history despite infamously s**t protection and 3 of his 5 years with a coach that couldn't keep an OC on the sideline...partially because he wanted his offense to be pure 1973.

I guess the people saying "they must have watched Kirk's game tape" missed a whole lot of footage to Diggs, JJ, AT, KJ, and even Addison. All those yards, scores, and even records must be flukes or something...right? Gimme a break.

I think Atlanta just either fugged up, or just guaranteed that they're in for a heaping helping of everything we've had for years: "are they trading him to SF?!?!". Given how badly they whiffed on their last young QB, I see this as pure dumbassery from a front office that's clueless about locker room dynamics.

No sympathy from me...Both Atlanta and Cousins got what they asked for...no future.

I think this was a smart move by the Falcons. They have Drake London, Pitts, and Bijan for the next couple years and need to capitalize on that offensive talent.

They saw what their team looked like with the Heinicke's and Ridder's of the world at QB. I'm not a fan of Penix as a pro prospect, but it was a smart move to have a rookie marinating behind Kirk so they have a transition plan in place a few years from now.

ArizonaViking wrote:
No sympathy from me...Both Atlanta and Cousins got what they asked for...no future.

Why do you think they have no future?  Obviously Cousins is older and running out of future, but Atlanta got the present and the future in the building now with time to work out any mechanical kinks Penix has.

medaille wrote:
I lowkey like this for the Falcons.  Obviously, Cousins has a shelf life. They committed to him for two years.  He's a top 10ish qb, but not elite.  He's coming off a big injury.  They probably needed to start looking for his replacement in 2025, where there are no QBs.  I don't think this relegates Cousins to a bridge QB.  I don't think he'll have to deal with the questions of everyone asking for him to get replaced after every mistake during the season.

If they were locked into Cousins for 4 years, sure look elsewhere for a year, but Cousins isn't good enough to keep you from trying to find an upgrade and Penix should probably sit a year anyway.

If the thought process is "Penix is the future" then they never should've given Kirk all that money. It's a weird move-- shades of the Jordan Love pick to a degree.

Now if Kirk balls out you didn't get him any help and Penix will be on the pine for awhile. And if Penix balls out from the get-go then how bad do they wish they had Kirk's money back?

There's a lot of different ways this can get messy in a hurry. What if Kirk isn't ready to start week 1? Or 2? Or 4? Say Penix comes in and the team is winning. Then what? Some would say good problem to have, but if Kirk is making $40+M/yr and is hurt and untradable, that is a BAD look for ATL.

Could be fun/funny to watch it unfold.

Reports are that Kirk asked for Penix's number and called him to welcome him to the team. So while he was understandably disappointed and surprised, Kirk being Kirk handled the moment with class.

Zanary wrote:
All the anger at Kirk was always stupid, and still is. He's top 5 in Vikings QB history despite infamously s**t protection and 3 of his 5 years with a coach that couldn't keep an OC on the sideline...partially because he wanted his offense to be pure 1973.

I guess the people saying "they must have watched Kirk's game tape" missed a whole lot of footage to Diggs, JJ, AT, KJ, and even Addison. All those yards, scores, and even records must be flukes or something...right?  Gimme a break.

I think Atlanta just either fugged up, or just guaranteed that they're in for a heaping helping of everything we've had for years: "are they trading him to SF?!?!". Given how badly they whiffed on their last young QB, I see this as pure dumbassery from a front office that's clueless about locker room dynamics.

Kirk Cousins is not a top 5 QB in Vikings history, he's not even close to the top 5.
Fran Tarkenton, Warren Moon, Bret Favre, Brad Johnson, Wade Wilson, Tommy Kramer,
not to mention, Case Keenum, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff George, 
who all have won more playoff games and without playing under the strict QB rules.

StickierBuns wrote:
Just read that Atlanta spent like 45 minutes with Penix total pre-Draft, lol. Complete surprise move. Kirk doesn't like someone breathing down his neck. This really changes the dynamic of things for him, I can see fans chanting for Penix if Cousins hits a couple game rough patch.

Michael Penix Jr. did not take a top-30 visit to Flowery Branch. The Falcons only attended a 45 minute workout and met with him at the Combine.
It’s almost unheard of for a QB taken in the 1st to NOT be on a teams top-30.
In the end, ATL felt comfortable with the work they did.

— Dianna Russini (@DMRussini) April 26, 2024

Former Atlanta gm Dmitroff said they flew a contingent out west to meet with him. I think Russini is missing something here.

By the time they move off Kirk, Penix will be eligible to collect Social Security.

I don't think Kirko is pissed about the pick, I think he's pissed because he suddenly realized what a stupid organization he just agreed to wind up his career with.

FLVike wrote:

Kirk Cousins is not a top 5 QB in Vikings history, he's not even close to the top 5.
Fran Tarkenton, Warren Moon, Bret Favre, Brad Johnson, Wade Wilson, Tommy Kramer,
not to mention, Case Keenum, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff George, 
who all have won more playoff games and without playing under the strict QB rules.

Considering tenure with the team and not their overall NFL career for me would take out Favre (also my hatred for him!),  I would have to say Tark, Kramer, Culpepper, Cousins and reserving the 5 spot for JJM!

FLVike wrote:

Kirk Cousins is not a top 5 QB in Vikings history, he's not even close to the top 5.
Fran Tarkenton, Warren Moon, Bret Favre, Brad Johnson, Wade Wilson, Tommy Kramer,
not to mention, Case Keenum, Daunte Culpepper, Jeff George, 
who all have won more playoff games and without playing under the strict QB rules.

Live with being wrong, look up the tangibles. In fact, another full season, he'd likely be top 2 in practically everything, and he was a real danger to unseat Daunte's TD record before his injury.

The actual results in terms of yards, accuracy, TDs, etc...all have him right amongst the best in team history. The team itself as good, overall, but his results at his position are recorded among our best.

You can try and spin "these rules vs those rules", and any attempt to lionize Keenum is a bad joke at this point...because it's just sour grapes.

The team, which had bottom-tier defenses 3 of his seasons and s**t o-line protection for every season but his last one...was not championship caliber. Furthermore, NONE of Zimmer's selected CBs amounted to anything...not Waynes, Hughes, Gladney, Hand, etc. The Vikings weren't going anywhere deep with Zimmer, 2017 was a fluke that had Shurmur as our OC to make Z look competent and Keenum look (briefly) like more than a lucky journeyman.

Those illusions didn't exactly last, did they?

So, like I said...snarl and deny all you want, the record books will ignore you, and have his totals up by our top QBs regardless what noises the hate brigade makes. None of those noises ever mattered, or had any merit behind them.

I actually just searched "Best Minnesota Vikings Quarterbacks" and he was 3rd-4th in every single one...so, again, live with being wrong.

You are 35 years old and have won one playoff game in your entire career and your new team has a top ten pick in the draft. Of course you are pissed that they select a player that will never assist you getting playoff win #2. Worse, I bet the Falcon's could have traded back with the Vikings and still drafted Penix. Frankly, I would be hella pissed if I was Cousins today.

comet52 wrote:

Former Atlanta gm Dmitroff said they flew a contingent out west to meet with him.  I think Russini is missing something here.

By the time they move off Kirk, Penix will be eligible to collect Social Security.

I don't think Kirko is pissed about the pick, I think he's pissed because he suddenly realized what a stupid organization he just agreed to wind up his career with.

That made it even more stranger to me. Assuming that Kirko will be their starter for the next 2 seasons, Penix will be 26 years old when he takes over. As strange as it was to draft a QB, why wouldn't you draft JJM who is only 21?

If the Falcons owner is 81 and wants to win now this is a truly bad decision.  Owners should not be allowed in the room on draft night.  But then Kirk is all about himself and the money and if, as it has been alluded to in his early Viking career, he doesn't like a backup that pushes him as a starter then this just adds to the situation.

Not sure which draft decision is whose with Atlanta taking Penix or the Bills trading with the Chiefs which allowed them to take a speed burner at receiver.

Yes, I would be pissed if I was a Bills fan.

Knucklehead wrote:

That made it even more stranger to me. Assuming that Kirko will be their starter for the next 2 seasons, Penix will be 26 years old when he takes over. As strange as it was to draft a QB, why wouldn't you draft JJM who is only 21?

I doubt that there re many GM's that are concerned about their QB only playing 12 years vs 14.

pattersaur wrote:

If the thought process is "Penix is the future" then they never should've given Kirk all that money. It's a weird move-- shades of the Jordan Love pick to a degree.

Now if Kirk balls out you didn't get him any help and Penix will be on the pine for awhile. And if Penix balls out from the get-go then how bad do they wish they had Kirk's money back?

There's a lot of different ways this can get messy in a hurry. What if Kirk isn't ready to start week 1? Or 2? Or 4? Say Penix comes in and the team is winning. Then what? Some would say good problem to have, but if Kirk is making $40+M/yr and is hurt and untradable, that is a BAD look for ATL.

Could be fun/funny to watch it unfold.

The reason you sign Kirk and get a rookie is for the same reason we should have did it 2 years ago.  You maximize your chance to win now with known quantity Kirk, while trying to find the guy with a chance to be your elite QB.

It is never a bad look to have two good QBs.  No one with any common sense will judge them harshly for not putting all their eggs in just the Penix basket, because we all know that rookies aren't guaranteed to succeed.

Atlanta has a curious draft strategy at best, last season they took a RB at #8, the year prior they took a TE at #4. Now an older QB at #8 w/ a very expensive Cousins freshly signed. For a marginal playoff contender, that’s some strange utilization of 1st round draft capital… & common sense tells me that is a foolish way to build a contending roster!  :angel:

medaille wrote:

The reason you sign Kirk and get a rookie is for the same reason we should have did it 2 years ago.  You maximize your chance to win now with known quantity Kirk, while trying to find the guy with a chance to be your elite QB.

It is never a bad look to have two good QBs.  No one with any common sense will judge them harshly for not putting all their eggs in just the Penix basket, because we all know that rookies aren't guaranteed to succeed.

I agree the past two years I definitely wanted to see us draft a successor, seemed like we tried to do that last year with Richardson, although think we missed the boat with Levis.  In this case, the length of the contract with the guaranteed money combined with Penix's age is what I think makes this so surprising.