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I'll toss it out there: JJ @ 5 or Penix @11?

purplefaithful
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Thats assuming Penix drops to 11 and someone doesnt snipe him @ 6-10. I can absolutely see the Bears trading down @ 9!

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

#1 · Apr 23, 8:25 AM
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purplefaithful wrote:
Thats assuming Penix drops to 11 and someone doesnt snipe him @ 6-10. I can absolutely see the Bears trading down @ 9!

I just don’t see JJ in the top 5 but he will go top 15 i would bet!  Penix could-also be top 10 now.  

I would rather a short move up no earlier than 7 as I’ve said many times. 

Top 5 value would be Caleb, Jaden or Drake. 
Too 10 value penix/JJM

I’m really hoping for JJM or Penix at 11, then we can get an impact player at 23, or restock the depth with a trade down

#2 · Apr 23, 8:50 AM
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Penix all day. How is JJ any different then any of these QB's drafted in the 1st round.

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#3 · Apr 23, 8:50 AM
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JJ Mac. I'd be pretty happy with Penix at 11, but mostly because it means we keep 23. I like Penix. I just don't think he fits what we do as much as Drake and JJ.

#4 · Apr 23, 8:57 AM
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You can't just name all the bad QBs and ask how they'd be better? Nobody knows. Heck all 6 could be worse than the list you supplied. There's no crystal ball that says whomever gets picked will succeed.

#5 · Apr 23, 9:21 AM
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AGRforever wrote:
You can't just name all the bad QBs and ask how they'd be better?  Nobody knows.  Heck all 6 could be worse than the list you supplied.  There's no crystal ball that says whomever gets picked will succeed.

These are all the bad QB's in the first round over 10 years. If its all a crap shoot then.. sit at 11 and take who comes to you. Reason I like Maye or Daniels more it Daniels is mobile and passed alot in college so we have a better sample size. I like Maye because he is big with a strong arm and can edure the beating coming his way. JJ has a very small sample sized. Was never relied on to pass. Not to mention he has a slender build.

edited Apr 23, 2024 9:34 AM
#6 · Apr 23, 9:32 AM
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Still Hurtn wrote:
Penix all day. How is JJ any different then any of these QB's drafted in the 1st round.
    2. [font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif]EJ Manuel (2013)
    3. [font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif]Blake Bortles (2014)
    4. [font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif]Johnny Manziel (2014)
    5. [font=-apple-system, BlinkMacSystemFont, 'Segoe UI', Roboto, 'Helvetica Neue', Arial, 'Apple Color Emoji', 'Segoe UI Emoji', 'Segoe UI Symbol', sans-serif]Teddy Bridgewater (2014)
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How is Penix any different than those guys?  Let's face it, all the rookie QBs we're discussing have some degree of downside.  It's tough to make any bold statements about any of them.  That said, I think Minnesota has the best coaching staff and supporting cast to help whichever rookie QB we take.  Hopefully we get the right one, he develops quickly, and we don't have to worry about the position for the next decade or more.

Still Hurtn wrote:

These are all the bad QB's in the first round over 10 years. If its all a crap shoot then.. sit at 11 and take who comes to you. Reason I like Maye or Daniels more it Daniels is mobile and passed alot in college so we have a better sample size. I like Maye because he is big with a strong arm and can edure the beating coming his way. JJ has a very small sample sized. Was never relied on to pass. Not to mention he has a slender build.

Daniels is even skinnier/leaner than McCarthy and he runs a heck of a lot more.  I like Daniels, but he's built like a taller Lamar Jackson who's missed games every season with injuries.  It wouldn't surprise me to see Daniels only make it through 12-15 games every season unless he leans to protect himself better when he runs.

edited Apr 23, 2024 9:42 AM
#7 · Apr 23, 9:39 AM
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Yeah you can't just list busts and then tongue in cheek ask how QB X is different.

Any or all of them could bust. It comes down to, do you trust our coaches or not? If they move up for a QB and get that guy, do you believe he'll be good in time? If not then you probably have a larger issue with the direction of the team and are wanting a massive overhaul after only two years of the new regime.

#8 · Apr 23, 10:18 AM
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Would rather have Nix at 11, Penix has a high ceiling if he is able to stay healthy, which is something he has not been able to do, he has been consistently banged up. I think you have to take swing on the more durable player when you are drafting that high. I would only take Penix at 23 if we were to miss on the other 5.

#9 · Apr 23, 10:25 AM
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I like both of them. Because I don't see a big gap between them, I'd rather stick at 11 and have Penix than give up 23 for JJM.

#10 · Apr 23, 5:18 PM
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I do not want to give up 23 to move up so my choice is Penix at 11. But what if both are available at 11?

#11 · Apr 23, 5:35 PM
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JJM at 5, because I don’t think the team will take Penix at #11.

I think the highest they would even consider him is #23 and I’ll bet they trade back to pay him as little as possible and to make it not look as bad if/when they cut/trade him.

If they get stuck with him, so be it. The only guy I’ll be really pissed if they take is Colt McCoy 2.0, Bo Nix

#12 · Apr 23, 6:35 PM
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In my ideal world we pick from JJM or Nix at 11 and keep #23. There will be some really great options at 23 who can make this team better. I am nearly as excited about that pick at 23 as I am at getting a new QB. None or the top 6 will get to #23 unless Penix drops due to injury history. This is not your normal QB draft.

Comparing Nix to Colt McCoy is laughable. You are trying to compare two guys with demonstrably different arm talent. It’s like comparing Josh Allen’s arm to Gardner Minshew. One of these things is definitely not like the other.

A much more accurate comparison for you to use is Derek Carr. Nix and Carr have very similar arm talent, although Nix has shown to be significantly more accurate (although that can change). At least a comparison makes sense though.

edited Apr 23, 2024 10:25 PM
#13 · Apr 23, 10:24 PM
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StickierBuns wrote:
https://twitter.com/richeisen/status/1783246436739523046

I think he's our top option after MAye. 

But I wont left myself fall in love with JJ yet...Geoffs mock has me too spooked.

I am not sure how hard the Vikings will try and land him tbh.

Hurry-up Vikings, we ain't getting any younger! 

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