What are you willing to give up for your QBOTF?

My hope is we can get what we need with 11 and 23. Use Darnold as an example. In 2018, the Jets moved up to pick him 3rd overall. Jackson went 32nd.

Two moths ago, I was hoping for JJM. Still am, but I would also be good with taking Penix at 11, and adding some size to the defensive line with 23.

The Penix thing may be the non-stop news cycle. I am starting to feel like I'm at a time-share seminar, and they're starting to wear me down.

I'm in the same boat with Maye and to an extent Daniels. I'm fine giving up 11+23 and our 2025 1st round pick and adding some late Day 2 or Day 3 picks if needed. I really think their ceilings are high enough that it justifies the cost if they work out.

McCarthy, that's a little rich for me. If we're going to 5, 11+23 is already overpaying what would be the equivalent of a late 2nd round pick. I know the Chargers GM has stated they aren't interested in trading out for a fair trade, but I think 11+23 is an overpay that would get them to move. Maybe we throw in one of our 4ths this year to sweeten the pot, but that's about all I'd do and I'd want some late round picks back.

I'd be disappointed if we end up with Penix at 11. I'd prefer taking him or Nix at 23 (or later) if they last that far and grab a better player at 11. In that scenario, the top 4 QBs are gone, MHJ, Nabers, and Bowers are gone. Likely 2 of the tackles so we'd be looking at Odunze or an elite defensive prospect. I think you either take the pass rusher or trade back and accumulate picks this year or next year.

wiviking wrote:
My hope is we can get what we need with 11 and 23. Use Darnold as an example. In 2018, the Jets moved up to pick him 3rd overall. Jackson went 32nd.

Two moths ago, I was hoping for JJM. Still am, but I would also be good with taking Penix at 11, and adding some size to the defensive line with 23.

The Penix thing may be the non-stop news cycle. I am starting to feel like I'm at a time-share seminar, and they're starting to wear me down.

Stay strong brotha!  Don't give in.  :-)

Zero chance I give up the 2025 1st for any of the listed QB's. Far too many questions surround Maye, Daniels and especially McCarthy. History tells us many of these (if not all) will fail to become a top flite QB. In my estimation, the Vikes have too many holes to compete for a championship and gutting two years of drafts is not the way to build a sustainable competitive roster. The 2025 1st could very well be a top 10-12 pick. I would move 11, 23 and perhaps a later round pick for Maye or Daniels, but certainly not the 2025 1st. To even consider giving up three #1's the QB is going to have to be at a Burrow level for me.

Maye - 11, 23, ’25 1st and whatever lower round picks that it takes
Daniels - 11, 23
McCarthy/Nix - 11
Penix - 23 or later

I am not going to say for who... because that is really a crap shoot, but if they really like a guy, then 11 and 23 ( not willing to go into next years draft at this point, I am just not that enamored with any of these guys, even Williams ) but if they wanted to package the 2 firsts and a later pick to move up for one that they ride or die with, then have at it.

Otherwise I am perfectly content to take my QBOTF at 11, waiting it out and see who falls to us, or at the most maybe jumping ahead a few spots to stay ahead of Denver flipping with the Bears for our choice of whats left.

I think these are good not great pro candidates, but I think there is enough uncertainty in each ones resume that it doesnt merit using any future draft capital to get it done.

MaroonBells wrote:
I think it's hugely important for the future of this franchise that the Vikings somehow land their QBOTF in this draft. With that in mind, here's my investment risk tolerance for each. 

Daniels or Maye - Willing to give up 11, 23, ’25 1st and change
McCarthy - Willing to give up 11, 23 and ’25 1st
Penix - At 11, keeping 23
Nix - At 23 (or later), keeping 11

I think Im on board with this except there's no way I'd give next years 1st for McCarthy who is likely the 4th guy off the board.

Maye or Daniels 3 first

All others Im sitting at 11 and 23

I don't want anything to do with JJ unless he is there at 23

Daniels - 11 and 23
Maye - take at 11
Penix - take at 11
JJM - take at 11 - bump up a couple if they expect someone to jump ahead
Nix - take at 11 or bump up a couple if they expect Denver to jump in front of them

My QB rankings:

1. Williams
2. Daniels
3. Nix
4. JJM
5. Maye
6. Penix - he’s better than some ahead of him, but that injury history can’t be ignored from a long term perspective

Daniels: 11+23+ '25 1st

Maye, McCarthy: 11+23 (Maye has the insane ceiling but might trainweck.  McCarthy plays like a 24-year-old at 21)

Penix: 11, keep 23 (odd nobody has leaked Penix's medicals yet)

Nix: 23, keep 11

Rigby wrote:
Zero chance I give up the 2025 1st for any of the listed QB's. Far too many questions surround Maye, Daniels and especially McCarthy. History tells us many of these (if not all) will fail to become a top flite QB. In my estimation, the Vikes have too many holes to compete for a championship and gutting two years of drafts is not the way to build a sustainable competitive roster. The 2025 1st could very well be a top 10-12 pick. I would move 11, 23 and perhaps a later round pick for Maye or Daniels, but certainly not the 2025 1st. To even consider giving up three #1's the QB is going to have to be at a Burrow level for me.

What if Kevin O'Connell loves one of the QBs and our only chance to get that QB is to give up 11+23 and our 2025 first?  If he loves him and we feel comfortable giving that up, I'm down with that.

I posted this before the board exploded and we got a brand new nice place to chat...  but what if we put those picks as players?  Like those 3 firsts are Addison, Lewis Cine, and Andrew Booth?  Would you trade those 3 players for a franchise QB?  I would.

Obviously if we don't hit on the QB, that'll be an indictment in Kevin and Kwesi and they likely won't be running the team too long after that and we should have a full compliment of picks at that time.

I think it's long overdue this team takes a real shot at finding a franchise QB.  If we wait to see what's left, we'll end up with the Ponders and Teddy's of the QB world.  I guess I'd rather risk taking a shot than being worried about missing.

When you put it that way I’m with you. If they are that set on a guy, I’m fine with giving up more.

I’d give up a lot for Daniels. I’d give up a ton for Nix. Their ceilings are stupid high and the risk is palatable. The other guys could be amazing as well, but I consider the risk of giving up a lot is simply too high.

IMO, Our team will make out better with Penix + 23 + our 2025 first  rather than Daniels, Maye, or McCarthy without 23 and 2025 first.

MAD GAINZ wrote:

What if Kevin O'Connell loves one of the QBs and our only chance to get that QB is to give up 11+23 and our 2025 first?  If he loves him and we feel comfortable giving that up, I'm down with that.

I posted this before the board exploded and we got a brand new nice place to chat...  but what if we put those picks as players?  Like those 3 firsts are Addison, Lewis Cine, and Andrew Booth?  Would you trade those 3 players for a franchise QB?  I would.

Obviously if we don't hit on the QB, that'll be an indictment in Kevin and Kwesi and they likely won't be running the team too long after that and we should have a full compliment of picks at that time.

I think it's long overdue this team takes a real shot at finding a franchise QB.  If we wait to see what's left, we'll end up with the Ponders and Teddy's of the QB world.  I guess I'd rather risk taking a shot than being worried about missing.

Can I reprise the "boom?"

It is time to swing for the fences if they have conviction:

Daniels/Maye - 11/23 + 25 1st + garnishment pick
JJ = 11/23 + 24 garnishment
Penix - 11
Nix > 11 and b4 23 (I dont think he makes it past Raiders)

My Spurgon Wynn jersey…  & for a top 3 pick I’ll even throw in my Dimitrius Underwood jersey too! :cool: :P  

Kentis wrote:
My Spurgon Wynn jersey…  & for a top 3 pick I’ll even throw in my Dimitrius Underwood jersey too! :cool: :P  

I'll add my Raonall Smith and Lewis Cine jerseys to your bounty if that will seal the deal. Tough items to part with, but sacrifices need to be made

I'll toss in my George Shaw and Bookie Bolin jerseys but I can't part with my Earsell Mackbee as of yet....

In all honesty, whatever it takes. I just want this team to identify the one guy whom they think can get this team to the next level and go get him at whatever cost.

In free agency, this team has been aggressive in going to get QBs they think are difference makers. They have NEVER done that in the draft (unless you count Teddy).

If we’re going to draft a QB to hitch this offense to, I’m sick of “waiting to see who’s available” and taking leftovers. I’d be far more accepting of going up to get a guy that doesn’t pan out than taking the 5th or 6th best QB in a class, watching them be mid, and seeing a guy drafted before them having success.

Just go get your guy and don’t look back

due to the number of teams that are in dire need of a QB, the bidding war will drive up the price of the trade significantly this year

I hope they go all in, this is unchartered territory. I am sure they will do what is best and make something work

CFIAvike wrote:
In all honesty, whatever it takes. I just want this team to identify the one guy whom they think can get this team to the next level and go get him at whatever cost.

In free agency, this team has been aggressive in going to get QBs they think are difference makers. They have NEVER done that in the draft (unless you count Teddy).

If we’re going to draft a QB to hitch this offense to, I’m sick of “waiting to see who’s available” and taking leftovers. I’d be far more accepting of going up to get a guy that doesn’t pan out than taking the 5th or 6th best QB in a class, watching them be mid, and seeing a guy drafted before them having success.

Just go get your guy and don’t look back

This. And if you think we'll have FOMO if someone like Maye or JJM become a top 5 guy, imagine how KO will feel if he pounds the table for a guy but Kwesi doesn't pony up. Yes, I understand this train of thought is how you lose negotiations, I'm just pointing out a very possible scenario. I agree with you 100%. Just go get the guy. If he's not the guy that sucks royally but at least we shot our shot. Much rather that then pass the ball to a lesser player for a contested look and pray.