medaille wrote:

I think there’s a very real chance that no starter is named until an hour before the first regular season kickoff, which is what KOC has done almost every time.
So even if the starter has been named internally, it might not become public knowledge.

If the competition is/winds up being actually close, I agree with you. I think both guys will play a decent amount in the preseason this year too, which I know is very un-KO-like. But A, you get more data from live action and B, frankly both of these guys have been made of glass so the decision might get made for him.

Lastly, I do think there's something to what McCourty said that got posted above- "The Vikings owe it to themselves to see what Kyler can bring". First and foremost they owe it to everyone to win football games sure, but is there really a scenario where the Vikings never put Kyler into real games just to see what might happen? I don't think so. So if that's the case, I bet the coaches will decide, "we may as well start him from the jump".

medaille wrote:

I think there’s a very real chance that no starter is named until an hour before the first regular season kickoff, which is what KOC has done almost every time.
So even if the starter has been named internally, it might not become public knowledge.

I'm not sure how a team could name a starter internally and somehow keep that information secret, given all the access media has to practices. And while there is a benefit to keeping the Packers guessing who our QB is until game day, I think there's almost no chance the starter decision waits that long. Personally, I think a starter will be named after the Raven joint practices at the latest. This will give the starter 1st team reps 24 days before the opener.

I agree MB, That Ravens practice timing is probably the key juncture, not pre-season game 1

Do they use that time to finalize a decision? Or is Qb1 in place by then??

I dont even think KOC knows yet, or does he???

Who did JJM touch? Is he in trouble?

StickierBuns wrote:

So, what I see is a young 22-year-old QB that has killer arm talent. A QB that has some fundamental issues. A 22-year-old QB with some issues. Who would have thunk it. You get his fundamentals down, you have yourself a seriously talented QB to lead a team. Let's hope the offseason with John Beck did what it should have for JJ. All I know is that if the game is on the line at the end, JJ decides to become a different QB. Things you simply can't teach. He seems to have that to him. I am guessing because at 22, he didn't think, he just did. There are too many small things that people don't talk about when it comes to having the mentality to win.

The other QB has a win-loss record of 14-28 from November on for his career. Which makes him .333 in those months. So, a little better than what I thought at .286. I cut him a little short....

8-20?

Fixed it for ya, Gaddafi

Canthony wrote:

Fixed it for ya, Gaddafi

Bad at math or truth? Integrity, get some.

JustInTime wrote:

Bad at math or truth? Integrity, get some.

Either way its a bad percentage. Sorry I cut your guy a bit short. The word Integrity should never come out of your people's mouth. Have a nice day.

Editing your post after being called out. Integrity. 😆

Bless your heart.

I put a post that I changed it. Even gave out both percentages. Clearly that is me admitting I was wrong and fixed it.

StickierBuns wrote:

Watched half of this. Some good stuff, some great, plenty of really bad. You’d hope a guy who went to IMG then Michigan under Harbaugh would be further along going into year 3.

Best thing for the franchise is for him to clean up his game and become QB1. Otherwise, we’re potentially looking for QBOTF again in 27. I’m thinking Teasley, who has been part of a franchise that’s made bold QB moves, will have the leash pretty short.

JustInTime wrote:

Watched half of this. Some good stuff, some great, plenty of really bad. You’d hope a guy who went to IMG then Michigan under Harbaugh would be further along going into year 3.
Best thing for the franchise is for him to clean up his game and become QB1. Otherwise, we’re potentially looking for QBOTF again in 27. I’m thinking Teasley, who has been part of a franchise that’s made bold QB moves, will have the leash pretty short.

Is this the first time you're seeing this video? I'm almost positive Daniels posted it during the season last year. It looks like he just reposted it a couple days ago.

As for your point, I think this is where a lot of people lose perspective.

Yes, McCarthy is entering his third year on the NFL calendar. But from an actual football standpoint, he's entering Year 2.

He looked solid in his only preseason action in 2024, then suffered a season-ending injury. He didn't play meaningful football again until the following season. His first NFL start came on Monday Night Football in Chicago against the eventual NFC North champions after essentially missing two full years of competitive football. He still found a way to overcome all odds and lead his team back to victory.

And the adversity didn't stop there. Justin Jefferson was limited throughout much of the offseason with a hamstring injury, so those valuable practice reps together were largely lost. The receiver McCarthy had developed the best chemistry with, Jordan Addison, was then suspended for the first three games of the season. The following week, his wife gave birth to their first child, causing him to miss one practice. He then suffered another injury on an illegal hip-drop tackle, dealt with a revolving-door offensive line that had more than 25 different combinations throughout the year, went to Europe for back-to-back games while rehabbing his injury, and later played through a hand injury before finally being forced out after taking another shot to it.

Was he polished? No. Did he have flaws? Absolutely. He looked exactly like what he was: a young quarterback shaking off rust while learning the NFL.

Despite all of that, he still went 6-4 as a starter. He was about 52 seconds away from being 7-3 if the special teams and defense simply finish the second Bears game.

People can debate how well he played, but I don't understand acting as though those limited starts represent a finished product. They don't. They represent a quarterback overcoming about as much adversity as you could reasonably throw at a first-year starter. Not to mention, changes to the way he has learned to play the game and throw a football.

Winning in the NFL is hard. Winning as a young quarterback with that kind of disruption is even harder. That's why I'm willing to give him more than 10 starts before deciding what he is, or isn't.

IceRatz16 wrote:

Is this the first time you're seeing this video? I'm almost positive Daniels posted it during the season last year. It looks like he just reposted it a couple days ago.
As for your point, I think this is where a lot of people lose perspective.
Yes, McCarthy is entering his third year on the NFL calendar. But from an actual football standpoint, he's entering Year 2.
He looked solid in his only preseason action in 2024, then suffered a season-ending injury. He didn't play meaningful football again until the following season. His first NFL start came on Monday Night Football in Chicago against the eventual NFC North champions after essentially missing two full years of competitive football. He still found a way to overcome all odds and lead his team back to victory.
And the adversity didn't stop there. Justin Jefferson was limited throughout much of the offseason with a hamstring injury, so those valuable practice reps together were largely lost. The receiver McCarthy had developed the best chemistry with, Jordan Addison, was then suspended for the first three games of the season. The following week, his wife gave birth to their first child, causing him to miss one practice. He then suffered another injury on an illegal hip-drop tackle, dealt with a revolving-door offensive line that had more than 25 different combinations throughout the year, went to Europe for back-to-back games while rehabbing his injury, and later played through a hand injury before finally being forced out after taking another shot to it.
Was he polished? No. Did he have flaws? Absolutely. He looked exactly like what he was: a young quarterback shaking off rust while learning the NFL.
Despite all of that, he still went 6-4 as a starter. He was about 52 seconds away from being 7-3 if the special teams and defense simply finish the second Bears game.
People can debate how well he played, but I don't understand acting as though those limited starts represent a finished product. They don't. They represent a quarterback overcoming about as much adversity as you could reasonably throw at a first-year starter. Not to mention, changes to the way he has learned to play the game and throw a football.
Winning in the NFL is hard. Winning as a young quarterback with that kind of disruption is even harder. That's why I'm willing to give him more than 10 starts before deciding what he is, or isn't.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Zero to add. Either you get this or you don't....or you don't want to get it.

He’s definitely not the finished product. But when you’re a top 10 pick you’ve got to be closer than what he’s displayed so far to being the finished product. I’m still considering a class action suit vs IMG, the university of Michigan and Jim Harbaugh for false advertising and emotional distress. 😎

I’d also expect as a top ten pick some ability to overcome some adversity. The nonstop injuries are also concerning. The prevalent maturity issues. I’m also pretty sure other QBs have had children during the season. Why does he need special consideration for this? Is he the first QB to be in Europe while rehabbing an injury too? Cmon.

His inability to maximize Jefferson when a wide variety of other QBs have been able to is a huge red flag. He had some super productive games with Nick Mullens for Pete’s sake. Wentz got more out of Jefferson as a late August addition when Howell didn’t pan out.

Definitely not writing him off after 10 starts, but seeing as he should have 34 starts by now is extremely disappointing. Based on his pedigree and draft position, I think my perspective is just fine. ROI has been poor to date.

JustInTime wrote:

He’s definitely not the finished product. But when you’re a top 10 pick you’ve got to be closer than what he’s displayed so far to being the finished product. I’m still considering a class action suit vs IMG, the university of Michigan and Jim Harbaugh for false advertising and emotional distress. 😎
I’d also expect as a top ten pick some ability to overcome some adversity. The nonstop injuries are also concerning. The prevalent maturity issues. I’m also pretty sure other QBs have had children during the season. Why does he need special consideration for this? Is he the first QB to be in Europe while rehabbing an injury too? Cmon.
His inability to maximize Jefferson when a wide variety of other QBs have been able to is a huge red flag. He had some super productive games with Nick Mullens for Pete’s sake. Wentz got more out of Jefferson as a late August addition when Howell didn’t pan out.
Definitely not writing him off after 10 starts, but seeing as he should have 34 starts by now is extremely disappointing. Based on his pedigree and draft position, I think my perspective is just fine. ROI has been poor to date.

His floor was lower than I imagined and he's been snake-bit regarding his development. So his timeline was going to be longer than the rest of that class.

Add that to the fact Viking fans arent used to weening a young qb? And we end up with these cycles of back and forth about his ceiling.

I still have hope he's "the one" but that flame got smaller yr2 unfortunately.

Pre-season wont be the place to restore fan confidence (least for me) so I will have to wait till (if) he gets in real games. This could very well be a wait till 27 if K1 goes out there and blows it up.

Or he'll be traded at some point if KOC/Teasley decide Murray is the guy and they draft another pipeline QB in 27 or 28.

purplefaithful wrote:

His floor was lower than I imagined and he's been snake-bit regarding his development. So his timeline was going to be longer than the rest of that class.
Add that to the fact Viking fans arent used to weening a young qb? And we end up with these cycles of back and forth about his ceiling.
I still have hope he's "the one" but that flame got smaller yr2 unfortunately.
Pre-season wont be the place to restore fan confidence (least for me) so I will have to wait till (if) he gets in real games. This could very well be a wait till 27 if K1 goes out there and blows it up.
Or he'll be traded at some point if KOC/Teasley decide Murray is the guy and they draft another pipeline QB in 27 or 28.

“His floor was lower than I imagined”.

That’s about perfect.

The two games in Europe, Jefferson got about a quarter of his season total for yards. That connection with Jefferson has to improve exponentially.

JustInTime wrote:

“His floor was lower than I imagined”.
That’s about perfect.
The two games in Europe, Jefferson got about a quarter of his season total for yards. That connection with Jefferson has to improve exponentially.

JJ deserves a TON OF CREDIT for keeping his frustration (for the most part) out of the public eye.

Glad to hear he is working with both QB's the remaining few weeks of their summer vacation.

He'll let it play out some, but imo the sooner KOC calls the competition over the better...For the locker room and fans.

It’s obviously too early to say much of anything definitive about JJ. He missed his first season, then missed several games, and more importantly, the practice reps that went with them. He’s had some terrific moments and some terrible ones. But all QBs have good and bad moments. 

Here’s what gives me pause: CONSISTENCY. You don’t have to be good all the time to make it in the NFL, but you have to be good more often than JJ's been. Without doubt, the time he’s missed disrupted his development and is probably a big reason for his lack of consistency. Still, consistency is the key for every young QB in the NFL, and what separates the hits from the busts. 

For example, Zach Wilson is widely considered a bust. In his 3rd season he beat Houston 30-6 and threw for 300 yards, with 2 TDs, a 77% completion percentage and a 117 passer rating. Marcus Mariota is also considered a bust. In his NFL debut he threw 4 TDs and earned a perfect 158.3 passer rating. In his 2nd season Mitch Trubisky had a game where he threw for 354 yards and a whopping SIX TD passes. Blake Bortles once threw for 376 yards and 4 TDs. Hell, in a win against the Packers one year, even Christian Ponder threw for 3 TDs and earned a 142 passer rating. Wilson, Mariota, Trubiski, Fields, Harrington, Bortles, Ponder, Young, Leinart….all of them have had really good games that I'm certain were celebrated by their fans and QB analysts. But none of them could be consistently good and all of them failed.

McCarthy has had a couple decent games and some really nice moments that should give all of us hope. But he’s yet to even have THAT kind of game, the kind of game mentioned above, despite being in a more QB-friendly offense than any of the QBs mentioned above. Can he do it? Absolutely. But until he does, I’d proceed with caution.