You paying him?

I'd pay Stroud....

I dont think he's elite, but I do think he's in that 10-15 range.

With that defense, he doesnt have to be superman, just good.

purplefaithful wrote:

I'd pay Stroud....
I dont think he's elite, but I do think he's in that 10-15 range.
With that defense, he doesnt have to be superman, just good.

but what do you pay him, do you allow him to bankrupt your future ( and your ability to keep the real strength of your team intact) or do you have that hard conversation with him and be prepared to lose him to a stupid GM that is just worried about not having a "franchise QB"?

I think I have that hard conversation and hope we can find a middle ground, but if he wants to test the market, I use the tags and shit and then shop him.

JimmyinSD wrote:

but what do you pay him, do you allow him to bankrupt your future ( and your ability to keep the real strength of your team intact) or do you have that hard conversation with him and be prepared to lose him to a stupid GM that is just worried about not having a "franchise QB"?
I think I have that hard conversation and hope we can find a middle ground, but if he wants to test the market, I use the tags and shit and then shop him.

I think he's got a strong case to get Jordan Love type $$

purplefaithful wrote:

I think he's got a strong case to get Jordan Love type $$

I think there is a strong case that says a dumb GM paid Love. The positional cap resetting deals for non elite players is what wrecks franchises short term. Ots why players like darnold get superbowls amd players like cousins won't.

Everyone got a take...

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THE CONSENSUS SURROUNDING Stroud is that he is a talented quarterback. He threw for 4,108 yards in 2023 (third most by a rookie in NFL history) and 23 touchdowns -- to five interceptions -- and finished ninth in MVP voting. He was named Offensive Rookie of the Year and to the Pro Bowl.

In his three years, Stroud has compiled 28 regular-season wins (seventh most during that span), a 54.9 QBR (20th), 10,876 passing yards (ninth), 25 interceptions (12th fewest among quarterbacks with at least 30 starts) and 62 touchdown passes (tied for 14th). And in the playoffs, he has three wins (tied for fourth), 1,438 passing yards (fourth) and six touchdown passes (eighth).

So it's fair based on Stroud's accomplishments that he deserved an extension, but at what price?

"Offer him something like top 8-12 [QB] money," an NFC executive said. "I'd try to give him a three-year extension at like $42-45 million per year now. Or plan to franchise him out like [Dallas Cowboys QB] Dak Prescott in 2020."

The eighth-highest annual salary for a quarterback belongs to the Philadelphia Eagles' Jalen Hurts ($51 million) and the 12th belongs to the Kansas City Chiefs' Patrick Mahomes($45 million).

The NFC executive believes Stroud and his management team -- led by agent David Mulugheta of Athletes First -- would reject the 8-12 deal. The executive said he would be willing to increase the offer to strike a deal, and if that failed, just prepare to use the franchise tag if needed in 2028.

Texans owner Cal McNair would love to have his cornerstone pieces like Stroud and Anderson in Houston for the foreseeable future. But he won't meddle in the football discussion, he'll just sign the checks.

Despite knowing that Stroud is a "playoff quarterback" that can win you games, a second AFC executive thinks Houston should wait on extending him.

"It hasn't been perfect," the second AFC executive told ESPN. "That defense has carried a lot, $25 million isn't crazy for the [fifth-year] option, so you keep your leverage, get another year of info on durability, production, mental toughness, all of it."

Meanwhile, the Seattle Seahawks marched to a Super Bowl title in February with a QB in Sam Darnold, who finished 19th in QBR (55.6). Seattle marked Darnold's fourth team in four straight seasons, including reviving his career with the Minnesota Vikings in 2024 to earn a three-year, $100.5 million deal with the Seahawks.

Instead of paying Darnold, the Vikings struggled at QB, with J.J. McCarthy's development not being where they would have liked in Year 2 -- prompting Minnesota to sign Kyler Murray this offseason.

Darnold was one of several QB redemption stories that might make teams wary about giving up on a talented, young quarterback.

"They should do whatever they can to avoid ending up looking like Minnesota," the same NFC executive said.

ANOTHER AFC EXECUTIVE believes Stroud has to prove he can carry a team before receiving the extension because of how it will impact the Texans' roster financially.

"This is about whether you're convinced he's a long-term top-tier QB worth 22% of the cap," the third AFC executive told ESPN. "The smart play is to pick up the fifth-year option, invest heavily in the offensive line and stabilize the run game so you're evaluating him in a clean structure."

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/48610121/houston-texans-pay-cj-stroud-qb-market-nfl-execs

Some of these things are just so stupid. Of course you pay him, and you pay him market. Why this is even a question is beyond me. But do what you want, Houston. It's not like it's hard to find a QB....

David Carr (2002–2006)Tony Banks (2003)Dave Ragone (2003)Matt Schaub (2007–2013)Sage Rosenfels (2007–2008)Matt Leinart (2011)T. J. Yates (2011, 2015, 2017)Case Keenum (2013–2014, 2023)Ryan Fitzpatrick (2014)Ryan Mallett (2014–2015)Brian Hoyer (2015)Brandon Weeden (2015)Brock Osweiler (2016)Tom Savage (2016–2017)Deshaun Watson (2017–2020)A. J. McCarron (2019)Tyrod Taylor (2021)Davis Mills (2021–2022, 2025)Kyle Allen (2022)

MaroonBells wrote:

Some of these things are just so stupid. Of course you pay him, and you pay him market. Why this is even a question is beyond me. But do what you want, Houston. It's not like it's hard to find a QB....
David Carr (2002–2006)Tony Banks (2003)Dave Ragone (2003)Matt Schaub (2007–2013)Sage Rosenfels (2007–2008)Matt Leinart (2011)T. J. Yates (2011, 2015, 2017)Case Keenum (2013–2014, 2023)Ryan Fitzpatrick (2014)Ryan Mallett (2014–2015)Brian Hoyer (2015)Brandon Weeden (2015)Brock Osweiler (2016)Tom Savage (2016–2017)Deshaun Watson (2017–2020)A. J. McCarron (2019)Tyrod Taylor (2021)Davis Mills (2021–2022, 2025)Kyle Allen (2022)

Wilfs say "psssst, that list aint nothing!"

Tough call... Stroud is regressing which isn't good coming into his 4th year.

2023 - 15 GP - 4,108 yrds and 23 TD's

2024 - 17 GP - 3,727 yrds and 20 TD's - 2 more games played vs 2023 and 381 less yards and 3 less TD's

2025 - 14 GP - 3,041 yrds and 19 TD's - 1 game less than 2023 but 1,067 less yards and 4 less TD's

Doesn't paint a pretty picture for backing up the dumptruck of cash to keep him.