Zona, Blue Wall...306

[purplefaithful]

For just the 2nd time in 70 years, a Dem takes Arizona.

Goldwater and especially McCain are smiling. Growing Latino Pop that leans Dem, Surge in voters who migrated from other states/changing demographics, suburban voters who turned in droves from Trump .

"Maricopa County won the state of Arizona for Mark Kelly and Joe Biden," said Steven Slugocki, chair of Maricopa County's Democrats. "Here in Maricopa, we committed our resources to contact voters of color, women and traditionally underrepresented groups throughout the state. Our strategy proved to be effective."

Time to pack the bags, get the movers ready...

[Guest]

The division just gets greater now as Baby Trump tells his cult member to move on from Fox News and go to that new 'station'. People getting off Twitter and Facebook and going to MeWe and Parlor. These weak minded people need their echo chambers. I'm done fading these chumps, good riddance. Although Facebook is indeed a shit show.

[Guest]

The Blue Wall Holds...

[Guest]

@StickyBun said:
The division just gets greater now as Baby Trump tells his cult member to move on from Fox News and go to that new 'station'. People getting off Twitter and Facebook and going to MeWe and Parlor. These weak minded people need their echo chambers. I'm done fading these chumps, good riddance. 

I only wish they could be ignored. They're going to foment and multiply in these new platforms and come out crazier and more dangerous than ever. 

They think they were being censored by Facebook and Twitter because those platforms are liberally biased, when the truth is that they were censored because they were spreading verifiable falsehoods. Nothing can get through to these people. They need professional help. 

[Guest]

We're always going to have an alt left and alt right...Problem is the sharp point of both parties seem to have been defining those parties lately. They certainly get all the press. 

Maybe over time, the moderates within team red and blue will  turn down the heat and increase the opportunities to come together. It sure wasn't going to happen with Trump @ Potus, maybe Bidens tenure will spur a little more moderate amongst all. 

One can hope right???

[Guest]

@purplefaithful said:
We're always going to have an alt left and alt right...Problem is the sharp point of both parties seem to have been defining those parties lately. They certainly get all the press. 

Maybe over time, the moderates within team red and blue will  turn down the heat and increase the opportunities to come together. It sure wasn't going to happen with Trump @ Potus, maybe Bidens tenure will spur a little more moderate amongst all. 

One can hope right???

Typical lefty....all penitent and self-aware, calling for peace, love and understanding.

But is there even an alt-left?  Antifa I guess. But their numbers are a tiny tiny fraction of those who make up Trumpists, QAnon, white supremacists, etc. And, really, they wouldn't even exist without the explosive growth of fascism found among the alt-right.

What we need is another honest Abe or MLK...or RFK. Someone who can call back our "better angels," who clearly said "F*** this" and left town. I doubt Biden can do that, but he's about a million times more capable than his predecessor. 

[Guest]

https://twitter.com/OrinKerr/status/1326...18880?s=20

[Guest]

@StickyBun said:
These weak minded people need their echo chambers. .

...............what exactly is this thread and the other 20 anti Trump threads?  I didn't vote for the guy, but to absolve the entire left of center while accusing everyone right of center of being all the things you guys call them is laughable.  No wonder you've chased off all the right leaning people. 

[Guest]

Here's an article that does a pretty good job of explaining Trumpism....

https://www.upworthy.com/all-done-trying-to-understand-trump-supporters
I am going to speak frankly and somewhat forcefully about my fellow Americans here, but first I want to be clear about my perspective. I am a political independent who would best be described as "leaning left," though I hate those kinds of labels. I have always voted for both Democrats and Republicans, including on my own state's ballot in this election. The only real passion I have for politics is my disgust with our two-party system, so don't take my words here as toeing some partisan or ideological line.
I also believe there is a distinct disconnect between why Trump supporters think they support him and why they actually do. I've spent four years listening to their reasoning. I've tried to make it make sense. And though entire books can and will be written about this, I've landed on what I see driving Trumpism the most.
Though partisanship certainly plays a role in his number of supporters, the support for Donald Trump isn't about political parties. Yes, there are people who will vote Republican even if they have to hold their nose or sell their soul to do so (same with some Democrats, I would assume). For some people, elections are all about one issue—usually abortion or taxes—so they vote Republican, but Trump hardly represents the traditional party identity.
I mean, let's be real here. Anyone who thinks a serial-adultering, porn star banging, pussy grabbing, charity stealing, student defrauding, non-church-going, faith-mocking, unrepenting man like Trump is a reflection of true conservative values is as delusional as he is. And anyone who thinks that a military-bashing, deficit-building, debt-ballooning grifter is a true Republican is fooling themselves. There's a reason why many lifelong Republicans rejected Trump from the beginning.
Despite appearances, Trumpism isn't about Republicans vs. Democrats. Political parties are merely weapons Trump wields in his battle for personal glory. After all, this is a man who changed his political party four times in less than three decades. He's not now and has never been about party.
No, Trump is about Trump. It's what he's always been about and will always be about. He is a textbook malignant narcissist, always and forever obsessed with what will serve his personal need for power, glory, and adulation.
The question then is, how did Trump get 70+ million voters to believe he's all about America or all about them? He did it the same way every demagogue with authoritarian tendencies throughout history has done it—by keeping the message painfully simple, appealing to people's basest human instincts, lying egregiously and relentlessly, and undermining people's faith in the real-world journalism and fact-checking that keep them from being sucked into his unreality....
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[Guest]

The thing that gets me is some people don't see Trump as divisive which is absolutely ridiculous. He refused to condemn white supremacists. He told the proud boys to stand back and stand by. He didn't say anything about the plot to kidnap Governor Whitmer. These so-called militia groups are domestic terrorists but he doesn't seem to care about that. He doesn't say anything even though the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security have. He is definitely divisive. He has been very damaging to race relations throughout his time in office.