Quote: @purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!," tweeted Trump.
This says a lot in my opinion. I think Trump is a result of our own petty divisiveness. Unless it supports our world view, it's fake news, it's a witch hunt. It's bad enough that WE behave like that. But when our PRESIDENT does, that's whole different thing entirely. But that's who we elected. 60 million people voted for Donald Trump precisely BECAUSE he played that game. He was one of them and they loved him for it. Racism and misogyny dressed up as "heroically battling political correctness." Utter incompetence glamorized as the "fresh voice of an outsider." Jesus, what a total fuck up.
Yup, the Trump voters I speak to are delighted. The ones that defend him continue to reference the past of Obama and Clinton as rationale for now.
But its more of the rhetoric that delights than actual policy for most (not all).
That said, my own "eye of Sauron" is now pointed at team blue. If they dont evolve or minimally find a candidate that galvanizes the middle class? Our blustering, orange baby of a president will get 4 more years.
Meh, we survived almost 2 terms of Nixon...
Interesting you bring up Nixon. I was thinking last night about him and the last time America was this divided. Vietnam. I was just a kid, but I've read enough, seen enough to know that the "silent majority" absolutely DESPISED the anti-war protestors. And vice versa.
There are a lot of things in our post-Civil War past (civil rights, roe, Iraq, etc) that have divided left and right in this country, but nothing pushed us into our corners quite like Vietnam.
What's interesting is that the hippies were right.
Quote: @Caactorvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ Caactorvike said:
@ greediron said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Obama, Bush 2, Clinton and Bush 1 may not have "stood up" to the Russians to your satisfaction, but none of them would've done this. None of them systematically alienated each of our allies, all the while praising and honoring ruthless dictators like Putin and Kim Jong Un. Given your clear admiration for strength in dealing with the Russians, I'm surprised you're not more alarmed by what's happening. I think Reagan would be horrified, don't you?
I think it's pretty clear that Vladdy is using Donny's narcissism against him to get what he wants. Obviously, it's why they wanted him elected in the first place. He's a useful idiot. Up until now it's been more embarrassing than alarming. But at what point does the party of Abraham Lincoln and Ronald Reagan find their balls and say this is getting serious, dangerous? That enough is enough?
Don't know how one can defend any of those either. Especially Obama. He was horribly weak, but yes, this comment by Trump is more recent and will get more press coverage.
again--the bullshit equivilency. Obama imposed sanctions. spoke to Putin personally regarding the meddling with our elections. we now have hard evidence that Russian military officers were directly involved in this. Trump has been shown the proof. i believe NO OTHER PRESIDENT including both Bushes, Obama, or Bill Clinton would have behaved the way Trump did today. This is not"his comment is more recent and will get more press coverage." This is way beyond that. You are unable to clearly state that what was said was shocking, disgraceful and seriously compromised this country? when is someone going to stop being an apologist and grow a pair?
And when is someone going to learn how to have rational discussions with someone they disagree with?
I am no apologist. I have spoken against Trump from the beginning. As to Obama? He drew lines in the sand and then backed up and drew another line. Then backed up again. Obama was about the worst president at foreign policy. Bowing, cowering, giving in to radical islam dictators.
But back to Trump, as I said, being a photo op for North Korea was a huge blunder IMO. And cuddling with Putin is no better. But the biggest trouble with him is that he doesn't think before he talks. I don't really believe much he sez and I don't know that he does either.
its WAY worse than that. And man, the pot calling the kettle black! But saying he “blundered” or he “ doesnt think before he talks,” is so weak. He didnt blunder he knew exactly what he was doing and saying. You think he wasnt aware he would be asked about Russian interference? I no longer care what you think about the Vikings or anything else. Blocked.
I will repeat
And when is someone going to learn how to have rational discussions with someone they disagree with? SMH
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
Hey Einstein, voter fraud, which is what Obama was referring to, almost never happens, and is completely different than influencing elections through a systematic campaign run by the Russians on social media to convince 60 million idiots to vote for a fucking buffoon.
I think you and I have come a long way in terms of being tolerant to the others opinions, and showing dissenting position some respect, but I have to say that you labeling me as an idiot is kind of a personal comment and shouldnt happen. Lets walk this back a bit and keep things civil please.
Like I said 2 years ago... the clintons gave me another reason to despise them in that they forced me to vote for trump... i think most of us idiots are were firmly in the "anybody but hillary camp" more than we wanted to see Trump as president.
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!," tweeted Trump.
This says a lot in my opinion. I think Trump is a result of our own petty divisiveness. Unless it supports our world view, it's fake news, it's a witch hunt. It's bad enough that WE behave like that. But when our PRESIDENT does, that's whole different thing entirely. But that's who we elected. 60 million people voted for Donald Trump precisely BECAUSE he played that game. He was one of them and they loved him for it. Racism and misogyny dressed up as "heroically battling political correctness." Utter incompetence glamorized as the "fresh voice of an outsider." Jesus, what a total fuck up.
Yup, the Trump voters I speak to are delighted. The ones that defend him continue to reference the past of Obama and Clinton as rationale for now.
But its more of the rhetoric that delights than actual policy for most (not all).
That said, my own "eye of Sauron" is now pointed at team blue. If they dont evolve or minimally find a candidate that galvanizes the middle class? Our blustering, orange baby of a president will get 4 more years.
Meh, we survived almost 2 terms of Nixon...
Interesting you bring up Nixon. I was thinking last night about him and the last time America was this divided. Vietnam. I was just a kid, but I've read enough, seen enough to know that the "silent majority" absolutely DESPISED the anti-war protestors. And vice versa.
There are a lot of things in our post-Civil War past (civil rights, roe, Iraq, etc) that have divided left and right in this country, but nothing pushed us into our corners quite like Vietnam.
What's interesting is that the hippies were right.
I dont know that the hippies were right as much as the politicians screwed up the war. The military people could have won Viet Nam, its the playing the game one way while your opponents plays it another way is what cost our soldiers the war and for far to many their lives IMO.
IMO, if we are in an armed conflict, we fight to win, I dont want to ask our soldiers to not do something they think will improve their chances of success and survival. Our boys in Viet Nam were fighting politically impaired.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hey Einstein, voter fraud, which is what Obama was referring to, almost never happens, and is completely different than influencing elections through a systematic campaign run by the Russians on social media to convince 60 million idiots to vote for a fucking buffoon.
I think you and I have come a long way in terms of being tolerant to the others opinions, and showing dissenting position some respect, but I have to say that you labeling me as an idiot is kind of a personal comment and shouldnt happen. Lets walk this back a bit and keep things civil please.
Like I said 2 years ago... the clintons gave me another reason to despise them in that they forced me to vote for trump... i think most of us idiots are were firmly in the "anybody but hillary camp" more than we wanted to see Trump as president.
I respect your opinion, Jimmy, but I do think you and others who voted for Trump were taken for a ride. Your hatred of the left and all things Clinton were fanned to get you to support (ok, vote for) a man your gut instinct told you was a conman and absolute horror of a human being.
I'm making an assumption in that, but I've met you. I don't think you are a person who wouldn't recognize this man's bullshit.
I watch a video like and wonder how in HELL 60 million people thought "hey, yeah, there's a guy I can trust."
Can we break down Russia's hacking or interference in our election a little farther? Because I understand "the hack" to be relevant to the DNC's server. Where is the server? Did the FBI ever get access to it? ...The DNC stonewalled the FBI when they showed up and the FBI, according to a statement James Comey told Congress, never had access to it.
How are 12 Russians currently indicted when the FBI never examined the DNC server? Information in the public domain suggests a third-party, CrowdStrike, and not the FBI, was the one who examined the server.
This particular development doesn't have anything to do with Hillary's server and emails.
WikiLeaks acquired a stash of information that came directly from the DNC server. How did they get it? Was their network hacked as implied, or was the information physically compromised with a flash drive or a external drive (which has loudly been implied)? Why didn't they turn it over to authorities? The FBI went to the DNC to get it and they were denied. That doesn't even make sense to me; why would they refuse to give access to the most important piece of this particular investigation?
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
@ JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
Hey Einstein, voter fraud, which is what Obama was referring to, almost never happens, and is completely different than influencing elections through a systematic campaign run by the Russians on social media to convince 60 million idiots to vote for a fucking buffoon.
I think you and I have come a long way in terms of being tolerant to the others opinions, and showing dissenting position some respect, but I have to say that you labeling me as an idiot is kind of a personal comment and shouldnt happen. Lets walk this back a bit and keep things civil please.
Like I said 2 years ago... the clintons gave me another reason to despise them in that they forced me to vote for trump... i think most of us idiots are were firmly in the "anybody but hillary camp" more than we wanted to see Trump as president.
I respect your opinion, Jimmy, but I do think you and others who voted for Trump were taken for a ride. Your hatred of the left and all things Clinton were fanned to get you to support (ok, vote for) a man your gut instinct told you was a conman and absolute horror of a human being.
I'm making an assumption in that, but I've met you. I don't think you are a person who wouldn't recognize this man's bullshit.
I watch a video like and wonder how in HELL 60 million people thought "hey, yeah, there's a guy I can trust."
it was a matter of the least evil... my issue isnt with the democratic party (im voting dem in the SD governors election this year) its with the clinton family and how I view them. I think they are about as close to the anti christ as we have here in the US in terms of politicians, and IMO hillary is the worst of the bunch... she IMO is not a good person at all and she had people to make her dreams become our nightmares. Trump is a buffoon, but for the most part we can come back from his shit because he doesnt have any support in DC to really foul things up. both parties need to once again learn that while the extremes of their party often cry the loudest or maybe have the most money... its the middle 70% of this country that will determine the next president. which ever party comes back to the middle first will defeat Trump... or neither if they continue to try and mock those of us in the middle like they have done for the first 18 months.
honestly, what has trump done to date that cant be undone by a good president with backing from congress? our relationships with our "allies" will come back quickly, our trade partners soon after, and if in the mean time we gain a little as a result of the school yard bully... thats a win IMO.
honestly the decay of race relations in the US during the previous regime concern me far more than anything that trump has fucked up to date.
as far as russia... they meddled, its nothing new, accusing them of it wont stop it, so what did trump really do or say that will make a bit of difference going forward? should he be flogged, absolutely, hes a pussy when we needed strength, but like I said, we've had pussies for president for so long (of course it is in the name of diplomacy... (i think that is french for pussy) that we really shouldnt be surprised when the US ends up looking weak when dealing with Putin or China.
Quote: @BlackMagic7 said:
Can we break down Russia's hacking or interference in our election a little farther? Because I understand "the hack" to be relevant to the DNC's server. Where is the server? Did the FBI ever get access to it? ...The DNC stonewalled the FBI when they showed up and the FBI, according to a statement James Comey told Congress, never had access to it.
How are 12 Russians currently indicted when the FBI never examined the DNC server? Information in the public domain suggests a third-party, CrowdStrike, and not the FBI, was the one who examined the server.
This particular development doesn't have anything to do with Hillary's server and emails.
WikiLeaks acquired a stash of information that came directly from the DNC server. How did they get it? Was their network hacked as implied, or was the information physically compromised with a flash drive or a external drive (which has loudly been implied)? Why didn't they turn it over to authorities? The FBI went to the DNC to get it and they were denied. That doesn't even make sense to me; why would they refuse to give access to the most important piece of this particular investigation?
this whole fucking thing is a farce... everybody pointing fingers and making accusations, but nobody willing to share their proof because it would show that they are just as guilty as the other guy.
what ever happened to the wave of draining the swamp? people need to realize that the swamp consists of both parties incumbents and party picked puppets.... not just the other guys.
Quote: @JimmyinSD said:
@ MaroonBells said:
@ purplefaithful said:
@ MaroonBells said:
"Our relationship with Russia has NEVER been worse thanks to many years of U.S. foolishness and stupidity and now, the Rigged Witch Hunt!," tweeted Trump.
This says a lot in my opinion. I think Trump is a result of our own petty divisiveness. Unless it supports our world view, it's fake news, it's a witch hunt. It's bad enough that WE behave like that. But when our PRESIDENT does, that's whole different thing entirely. But that's who we elected. 60 million people voted for Donald Trump precisely BECAUSE he played that game. He was one of them and they loved him for it. Racism and misogyny dressed up as "heroically battling political correctness." Utter incompetence glamorized as the "fresh voice of an outsider." Jesus, what a total fuck up.
Yup, the Trump voters I speak to are delighted. The ones that defend him continue to reference the past of Obama and Clinton as rationale for now.
But its more of the rhetoric that delights than actual policy for most (not all).
That said, my own "eye of Sauron" is now pointed at team blue. If they dont evolve or minimally find a candidate that galvanizes the middle class? Our blustering, orange baby of a president will get 4 more years.
Meh, we survived almost 2 terms of Nixon...
Interesting you bring up Nixon. I was thinking last night about him and the last time America was this divided. Vietnam. I was just a kid, but I've read enough, seen enough to know that the "silent majority" absolutely DESPISED the anti-war protestors. And vice versa.
There are a lot of things in our post-Civil War past (civil rights, roe, Iraq, etc) that have divided left and right in this country, but nothing pushed us into our corners quite like Vietnam.
What's interesting is that the hippies were right.
I dont know that the hippies were right as much as the politicians screwed up the war. The military people could have won Viet Nam, its the playing the game one way while your opponents plays it another way is what cost our soldiers the war and for far to many their lives IMO.
IMO, if we are in an armed conflict, we fight to win, I dont want to ask our soldiers to not do something they think will improve their chances of success and survival. Our boys in Viet Nam were fighting politically impaired.
It's not so much about whether it was winnable or not as much as it was about why we were there in the first place. We were there to stop the spread of communism. Ho Chi Minh didn't care about communism as much as Vietnamese independence. The whole thing was misguided. And it's not like communism gained a dangerous and valuable foothold there after we left.
Quote: @BlackMagic7 said:
Can we break down Russia's hacking or interference in our election a little farther? Because I understand "the hack" to be relevant to the DNC's server. Where is the server? Did the FBI ever get access to it? ...The DNC stonewalled the FBI when they showed up and the FBI, according to a statement James Comey told Congress, never had access to it.
How are 12 Russians currently indicted when the FBI never examined the DNC server? Information in the public domain suggests a third-party, CrowdStrike, and not the FBI, was the one who examined the server.
This particular development doesn't have anything to do with Hillary's server and emails.
WikiLeaks acquired a stash of information that came directly from the DNC server. How did they get it? Was their network hacked as implied, or was the information physically compromised with a flash drive or a external drive (which has loudly been implied)? Why didn't they turn it over to authorities? The FBI went to the DNC to get it and they were denied. That doesn't even make sense to me; why would they refuse to give access to the most important piece of this particular investigation?
Here's an article you should read.
The “server” Trump is obsessed with is actually 140 servers, most of them cloud-based, which the DNC was forced to decommission in June of 2016 while trying to rid its network of the Russian GRU officers working to help Trump win the election, according to the figures in the DNC’s civil lawsuit against Russia and the Trump campaign. Another 180 desktop and laptop computers were also swapped out as the DNC raced to get the organization back on its feet and free of Putin’s surveillance.
Trump and his allies are capitalizing on a basic misapprehension of how computer intrusion investigations work. Investigating a virtual crime isn’t a like investigating a murder. The Russians didn’t leave DNA evidence on the server racks and fingerprints on the keyboards. All the evidence of their comings and goings was on the computer hard drives, and in memory, and in the ephemeral network transmissions to and from the GRU’s command-and-control servers.
When cyber investigators respond to an incident, they capture that evidence in a process called “imaging.” They make an exact byte-for-byte copy of the hard drives. They do the same for the machine’s memory, capturing evidence that would otherwise be lost at the next reboot, and they monitor and store the traffic passing through the victim’s network. This has been standard procedure in computer intrusion investigations for decades. The images, not the computer’s hardware, provide the evidence.
Both the DNC and the security firm Crowdstrike, hired to respond to the breach, have said repeatedly over the years that they gave the FBI a copy of all the DNC images back in 2016. The DNC reiterated that Monday in a statement to the Daily Beast.
“The FBI was given images of servers, forensic copies, as well as a host of other forensic information we collected from our systems,” said Adrienne Watson, the DNC’s deputy communications director. “We were in close contact and worked cooperatively with the FBI and were always responsive to their requests. Any suggestion that they were denied access to what they wanted for their investigation is completely incorrect.”
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