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NRA Silent On Castille - JustinTime18™ - 06-28-2017
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-nation/wp/2017/06/18/some-gun-owners-are-disturbed-by-the-philando-castile-verdict-the-nra-is-silent/?utm_term=.63506676e4b3
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Any CCW class would teach you how to tell a Cop you have a firearm and they would say to not do anything after you tell him you have a firearm. Reaching somewhere and defying orders is not exactly a smart thing to do.
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Quote: @matt4787 said:He was reaching somewhere because the officer asked him for his license. He was obeying orders not defying them.
Any CCW class would teach you how to tell a Cop you have a firearm and they would say to not do anything after you tell him you have a firearm. Reaching somewhere and defying orders is not exactly a smart thing to do.
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
If you watch the video...
55 sec mark. Officer asks for license and registration.
1:04 mark - Driver hands something to officer and officer looks it over. Probably insurance information(assumed by me). Officer looks it over and then focused back into the auto.
1:08 mark - Driver says. "Sir I have to tell you, I do have a-
1:09 mark - Officer - OK
Driver - A firearm on me.
1:11 mark - Officer - Okay, don't reach for it then- (hand on his weapon beginning to draw)
Driver - I'm,,,, I'm reachin for-
1:12 mark - Officer - Don't pull it out
Driver - Imma have to pull it out-
Passenger - NO!
Officer - Don't pull it out! (Drawing his weapon)
Passenger - NO!
1:14 mark - Officer reaches into the auto to stop the Driver's motion.(assumed by me)
1:15 mark - Sounds of scuffle
1:16 mark - Officer fires into auto.
IMO - Both are to blame as the driver did not listen and the officer was not trained well enough. He was very nervous during this and just the slightest abnormality would have triggered what happened.... and that's what happened. This officer was not "wired" to handle this type of situation, something that should have come up in training. No one really knows how you are going to act in a moment until it's upon you. I'd be willing to bet that there were some red flags during his training that were overlooked, unfortunately.
It's easy to sit back and dissect a video... it's completely different when you're looking into an auto at someone reaching for an unknown after he just told you he had a firearm. You tell him "Don't" and he says "Imma have to".... some say it's "I'm not" but I don't hear that even at 75% speed. There is a clear "h" sound.
I would assume the correct response is to not move and let the cop decide how this will unfold. Just because you have a firearm and the license to carry it... doesn't mean you can "reach for it" after being told not to during a traffic stop. My guess is his wallet was located next to or under his gun so he needed to pull out the weapon to get his license. Just a terrible situation overall.
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
thats the story that you were led to believe by the crazy ass girlfriend and the anti gun/ anti cop/ media.@matt4787 said:
Any CCW class would teach you how to tell a Cop you have a firearm and they would say to not do anything after you tell him you have a firearm. Reaching somewhere and defying orders is not exactly a smart thing to do. He was reaching somewhere because the officer asked him for his license. He was obeying orders not defying them.
Now that I see the video I am more convinced that this tragedy is on the deceased, ( benefit of the doubt goes to the LEO IMO since the actual video and audio backs his statement and proves the GF was lying or at least omitting truth in her version) and any associated violence from the protests and such that stemmed from the girl friends bull shit version of the story are on her and the media for not letting the truth be told, but instead a twisted version so tortured that it should be criminal. It pisses me off that this video was not made public immediately after the incident so that the ancillary bull shit that came from the false reports could have possibly been avoided.
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
His gun safety instructor testified that he taught his students to let officers know they are carrying. They already reached a settlement. And Yanez is no longer a police officer in St. Anthony.
http://www.twincities.com/2017/06/26/castile-settlement-read-the-statement-from-valerie-castile-and-city-of-st-anthony/
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Quote: @Vikergirl said:yes, you let them know you are carrying and then you wait for further instruction.
His gun safety instructor testified that he taught his students to let officers know they are carrying. They already reached a settlement. And Yanez is no longer a police officer in St. Anthony.
http://www.twincities.com/2017/06/26/castile-settlement-read-the-statement-from-valerie-castile-and-city-of-st-anthony/
Yanez acted as he was instructed as well, maybe overly so, but it was Castile that escalated the incident by reaching for, and continuing to reach as he was told to stop.
To me that statement read "PC crap so rioters dont destroy out town" and "its cheaper to settle now than to pay the legal fees to fight the bull shit".
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Quote:IMO - Both are to blame as the driver did not listen and the officer was not trained well enough. He was very nervous during this and just the slightest abnormality would have triggered what happened.... and that's what happened. This officer was not "wired" to handle this type of situation, something that should have come up in training. No one really knows how you are going to act in a moment until it's upon you. I'd be willing to bet that there were some red flags during his training that were overlooked, unfortunately.Would have to agree with you, both are to blame. Failing to obey the commands when you tell him you have a weapon is a horrible decision. Hands on the wheel and wait for instructions.
It's easy to sit back and dissect a video... it's completely different when you're looking into an auto at someone reaching for an unknown after he just told you he had a firearm. You tell him "Don't" and he says "Imma have to".... some say it's "I'm not" but I don't hear that even at 75% speed. There is a clear "h" sound.
I would assume the correct response is to not move and let the cop decide how this will unfold. Just because you have a firearm and the license to carry it... doesn't mean you can "reach for it" after being told not to during a traffic stop. My guess is his wallet was located next to or under his gun so he needed to pull out the weapon to get his license. Just a terrible situation overall.
But the officer was awfully quick to empty his gun. As you say, hard to judge not being in his shoes, but the guy in the car did not sound aggressive. And as quick as that went down, I doubt the guy had time to even get his hand on the gun.
Adding to this, I agree that the tragedy is on the deceased as he failed to comply with orders after saying he had a gun. And I would agree with the termination of the officer as he showed he didn't seem to have a full grasp of his job and likely would not get over this.
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Quote: @MaroonBells said:
That was the initial story. Not really what went down.@matt4787 said:
Any CCW class would teach you how to tell a Cop you have a firearm and they would say to not do anything after you tell him you have a firearm. Reaching somewhere and defying orders is not exactly a smart thing to do. He was reaching somewhere because the officer asked him for his license. He was obeying orders not defying them.
The cop was nervous and shouldn't have been a cop I get that. But he told him not to grab for it. He didnt listen.
NRA Silent On Castille - Guest - 06-28-2017
Settlement was a "go away" settlement. Or is that what a person's life worth now? 3 million? Settlements do not prove either side right... it just makes the case go away at the time... ask Cosby.