(03-16-2026, 03:10 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: I dont want to pile on a 23 year old kid AND I hope he stays on the rails and can become our QBOTF...I also think he dug himself a bit of a hole to climb out of. 

I believe one of JJ's super-powers failed him last year. And that failure links directly back to what does face of a franchise mean? 

More succinctly, I think he demonstrated lack of emotional maturity and that hurt him in the locker room. 

Just a wild asz theory, but I watched carefully when he was coming back to the sidelines those last 4 games and I didnt see the same kind of fire, player engagement I saw earlier in the year. He looked more isolated. 

I dont think taking himself out of GB game helped his cause on that front??? Maybe? Maybe not? 

Then we have the "insiders" saying how he was doing and saying things in between series with the coach that were never broached during the week? Thats a big no, no. 

Again, just my take...But I really feel like he fell short on maturity and it cost him some tbd amount leadership points internally with coaches and players.

(03-16-2026, 03:28 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: oy...

(03-16-2026, 02:49 PM)MaroonBells Wrote: You're jumping to a lot of conclusions here. JJ's injuries likely had a lot more to do with his lack of development than some bizarre notion that he was forced to "sit in the corner," no matter how, um, "widely reported" that was. Just like the initial assumptions you and others made about Murray being benched for Brissett, we didn't know what happened there or why. 

Let's not forget one thing that concerned me and some others that year: JJ lost 25-30 lbs, going from 219 to the "high 180s" according to one report. That's insane. When he showed up on the sidelines in street clothes after the surgery looking more like pre-Super Soldier Serum Steve Rogers than Capt. America, it was alarming. None of us knows why that happened. Some speculated that it was prescribed, which is ridiculous IMO. Some say it was due to missing lower body workouts. Lizzo notwithstanding, not many people have 30 lbs in their butt and thighs to gain or lose. 

I think eventually we will find out, and it wouldn't surprise me if whatever caused that weight loss is what caused KOC to warn KAM that he was not ready (assuming that's even true), and maybe even why some insiders were concerned that he was "challenged...by some of the more elemental aspects of being the face of a franchise." 

Many assume being the face of a franchise is just about being good in front of the camera or avoiding late nights on 1st Ave. It's also about doing what is necessary to improve, including keeping your mind and body sharp.

(03-16-2026, 03:08 PM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: You are also jumping to a lot of conclusions here, Maroon.  :-)

Also, regardless of why Murray was benched for Brissett, the Cardinals ate a shitload of money to get rid of him.  THAT is telling in some aspects.  He might turn his fortunes around here because we have a better coaching staff, surround, etc. but it's not the guarantee that some of you are making it out to be.

I just hope if the organization has decided to move on from JJ McCarthy, it works out for us.  I don't agree with that, but I'm not the one coaching the team and don't see him on the regular.  Just seems odd that KOC would be so convicted after his rookie training camp that he was the franchise QB for us and then a season later, it's a lot of the things I liked about him his rookie year are still true...  but...

(03-16-2026, 02:29 PM)CFIAvike Wrote: I’d absolutely bet $100 on him being the starter in 2027. There are only 2 scenarios I see that can prevent that. 1.. he sucks and 2.. Catastrophic injury

As much as I dislike this move, I’d be lying to myself if I thought he was going to completely suck. If he does remain relatively healthy I think you’re going to see a QB that the Vikings will have to re-sign to avoid another potential Darnold scenario. 

I think this $1.5 million dollar contract thing is creating misconceptions about the Vikings intentions here. I STILL think the Vikings would have moved to sign Kyler even if the Cards weren’t picking up the tab this year. It just would have been a 3yr/$100 mil kinda deal. Whether you choose to see it now or not, the Vikings have moved onto Kyler Murray for, at least the next 3-4 years.

(03-16-2026, 03:10 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: I dont want to pile on a 23 year old kid AND I hope he stays on the rails and can become our QBOTF...I also think he dug himself a bit of a hole to climb out of. 

I believe one of JJ's super-powers failed him last year. And that failure links directly back to what does face of a franchise mean? 

More succinctly, I think he demonstrated lack of emotional maturity and that hurt him in the locker room. 

Just a wild asz theory, but I watched carefully when he was coming back to the sidelines those last 4 games and I didnt see the same kind of fire, player engagement I saw earlier in the year. He looked more isolated. Or maybe my old memory is just failing me lol! 

I dont think taking himself out of GB game helped his cause on that front??? Maybe? Maybe not? 

The whole 9 crap got overblown, but I dont think it helped his cause and it was just weird and kinda embarrassing imo.

Then we have the "insiders" saying how he was doing and saying things in between series with the coach that were never broached during the week? Thats a big no, no. 

Again, just my take...But I really feel like he fell short on maturity and it cost him some tbd amount leadership points internally with coaches and players.

(03-19-2026, 09:10 AM)Norse Wrote: Now add Carson Wentz to mix. The question is who is going to be #2 quarterback.

(03-19-2026, 11:02 AM)medaille Wrote: It doesn't matter.

I know people like to rank things and have a clear pecking order, but if you assume Murray is QB1, the correct play is to not name a QB2 and 3.