(03-15-2026, 07:29 PM)supafreak84 Wrote: It's all bullshit. 

(03-15-2026, 02:22 PM)CFIAvike Wrote: IMO, none of this conjecture matters. JJ’s future is not with us. If it was, we’d be seeing what his progression this year looks like on the field. If the team TRULY believed in his development, there would be no question he’d be the starter this year. 

(03-16-2026, 05:43 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: 100%. I've been saying this for over a month.

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Ultimately this^

KOC needs to stick to trying to rehabbing the vets at KOC University because he's got no stomach for rookies. 

Remember, 10 wins is the absolute floor this year, the threadbare minimum.

(03-16-2026, 06:15 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: Im waiting for the the not quite good enough season from Murray and then the koc apologists / purple koolaid drinkers to come running in with the "complex offense that took Cosuins 1.5 years to get comfortable in  need to give them more time" type of excuses.

I am also ready for our OL to be "shit" again,  holding calls will be up, and Murray is going to take hits and likely get injured because blocking for those guys is damn hard when you have no idea what they are going to do back there.

(03-16-2026, 06:25 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: My only main gripe with KOC is that it appears he's walking away from a talented young kid in JJM. I don't understand how the org can't build momentum and development with McCarthy when they've seen him make some throws that maybe 5 QBs in the NFL make. I get it, his bad play has sucked out loud. But what about the last 3-4 games he played? Marked improvement. Whatever. He needs reps and he's not going to get them. So the KR Experiment better work in spades.

(03-15-2026, 02:22 PM)CFIAvike Wrote: IMO, none of this conjecture matters. JJ’s future is not with us. If it was, we’d be seeing what his progression this year looks like on the field. If the team TRULY believed in his development, there would be no question he’d be the starter this year. They don’t…it’s absolutely not debatable.  This pie in the sky, “going back to the bench for the year is best for him” bullshit is frankly stupid.  The Vikings do….not….believe….in….JJ.

I’m not even pissed about us punting on JJ the player…I’m pissed that the Vikings and a majority of the fanbase proved, without a shadow of a doubt, that it can’t handle drafting and developing a young QB. It took one year for the team to toss all those plans into the fire and go back to the free agent QB well.

And I’m TIRED of hearing that we’re only paying Kyler $1.5 million and that’s why we signed him. Come on…. If the Cards weren’t paying him this year he was likely a “3yr/100 mil level QB” and everyone knows it. That’s likely 90% of the reason we didn’t sign him long term, as it would have offset that language. Hasn’t anyone put together that the reason we’re not spending money this year and are seemingly clearing cap space next year is to be able to sign Kyler long term? The only question of how much we pay him is dependent on how well he plays.

Everything your eyes can see is that the Vikings are done with JJ McCarthy and likely developing a drafted QB. Barring injury, JJ never starts another game for the Minnesota Vikings.

(03-15-2026, 03:31 PM)CFIAvike Wrote: The “better off back to bench comment” is just a widely spread narrative I’ve seen from lots of Vikings fans. 

I also don’t believe it’s just conjecture about them not believing in JJ. I feel like they’ve proven it by what’s come out about him from multiple “unnamed sources” within the organization. It’s also not THAT they signed another QB for the “QB room”…it’s who.  They’re SPRINTED to Kyler Murray to sign him. Not an older vet to mentor/push/be a possible starter. They went and got a 28 year old former #1 overall pick looking to revive his career. This is almost EXACTLY the Jones/Richardson scenario in Indy except Murray is likely more talented. 

This team is gonna say whatever they want, but actions speak louder than words. And literally not ONE action this offseason is showing ANY belief in JJ McCarthy

(03-16-2026, 06:15 AM)JimmyinSD Wrote: Im waiting for the the not quite good enough season from Murray and then the koc apologists / purple koolaid drinkers to come running in with the "complex offense that took Cosuins 1.5 years to get comfortable in  need to give them more time" type of excuses.

I am also ready for our OL to be "shit" again,  holding calls will be up, and Murray is going to take hits and likely get injured because blocking for those guys is damn hard when you have no idea what they are going to do back there.

(03-16-2026, 08:50 AM)MAD GAINZ Wrote: The only thing I can think that makes sense is JJ McCarthy still isn't great at layering throws which is a requirement for any successful NFL QB.  I think KOC knew this heading into last season and wanted to give him one year of true on the field development before trotting him out there since he didn't get that his rookie year.  

When the FO wanted to go with the kid, it forced his hand and here we are.  Kwesi fired, KOC frustrated last season when JJ was up and down early and then dealt with some injuries and then showed some youthful exuberance with the griddy (when coaches told him not to do it in practice that week).

I don't think KOC has given up on JJ McCarthy. It may look that way, but he's trying to balance winning now and giving JJ McCarthy more time to develop which he probably needed last year in hindsight.

Problem is if Kyler Murray plays well, he may never get another chance here.

(03-16-2026, 09:53 AM)hogjowlsjohnny Wrote: No reason for all the black armband wearing JJ supporters give up hope he will be the Vikings future.

(03-16-2026, 09:56 AM)StickierBuns Wrote: Yes, how silly of us.....its such an obvious and positive transaction/move for McCarthy's future.