Quote: @Bolstad79 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Bolstad79 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Bolstad79 said:

@Vikeshrink said:
Every time I watch the video I see the same thing:  A poorly trained cop and a scared kid and a bunch of lives ruined.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on the OP.  

We have a police officer shooting a legally armed citizen who was stopped under apparently false pretense.

And the NRA says what??

He's black and it involved Blue, NRA isn't going to speak on the subject.

Or the fact that he is dead because he was high and didn't handle his end of the situation properly,  but calling out a minority for stupid behavior is not an acceptable answer. .it's now racist.

Why is the cop no longer a cop?

Personal choice and appearance.  They paid him off as well,  just his price was much lower.  I never claimed he didn't over reacted,  but being stoned with a gun eliminated any legality behind the deceaseds CC permit.  This isn't a black thing or a black and white thing, the sooner people accept that the sooner people will get past it and maybe make some good come from it like learning from it and possibly avoiding it in the future....or just keep making excuses and perpetuating the status quo.

Right!!!! If this happened in my town or the town's around me I would agree, but the location of this incident begs to differ.  

Quote: @Vikergirl said:
The officer who was with Yanez, Joseph Kauser, testified that Yanez later told him he had seen a gun on Castile, who had a permit for the weapon. Kaiser said he didn't see a gun from the passenger side of Castile's car.

St. Paul firefighter Eric Torgerson, a paramedic, testified that he saw an officer reach deeply into the pocket to retrieve the pistol.

Quote: @JimmyinSD said:

@Vikergirl said:
The officer who was with Yanez, Joseph Kauser, testified that Yanez later told him he had seen a gun on Castile, who had a permit for the weapon. Kaiser said he didn't see a gun from the passenger side of Castile's car.

St. Paul firefighter Eric Torgerson, a paramedic, testified that he saw an officer reach deeply into the pocket to retrieve the pistol.

What's that got to do with anything?  How does that support or refute any other testinony?  What was the victim wearing?  Loose clothing the pistol could have easily moved as the victim was reaching for it as he was shot,  in a typical backup position for an officer he wouldn't be looking at the driver or in a position to see what the other officer could see.  This tesimony doesn't mean a thing.

Quote: @Vikergirl said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Vikergirl said:
The officer who was with Yanez, Joseph Kauser, testified that Yanez later told him he had seen a gun on Castile, who had a permit for the weapon. Kaiser said he didn't see a gun from the passenger side of Castile's car.

St. Paul firefighter Eric Torgerson, a paramedic, testified that he saw an officer reach deeply into the pocket to retrieve the pistol.

What's that got to do with anything?  How does that support or refute any other testinony?  What was the victim wearing?  Loose clothing the pistol could have easily moved as the victim was reaching for it as he was shot,  in a typical backup position for an officer he wouldn't be looking at the driver or in a position to see what the other officer could see.  This tesimony doesn't mean a thing.

Additional viewpoints for consideration since most of the commentary has been in regard to Yanez and Castile. I do hope they move forward to improve training. 

Quote: @JimmyinSD said:

@Bolstad79 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Bolstad79 said:

@Vikeshrink said:
Every time I watch the video I see the same thing:  A poorly trained cop and a scared kid and a bunch of lives ruined.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on the OP.  

We have a police officer shooting a legally armed citizen who was stopped under apparently false pretense.

And the NRA says what??

He's black and it involved Blue, NRA isn't going to speak on the subject.

Or the fact that he is dead because he was high and didn't handle his end of the situation properly,  but calling out a minority for stupid behavior is not an acceptable answer. .it's now racist.

Why is the cop no longer a cop?

Personal choice and appearance.  They paid him off as well,  just his price was much lower.  I never claimed he didn't over reacted,  but being stoned with a gun eliminated any legality behind the deceaseds CC permit.  This isn't a black thing or a black and white thing, the sooner people accept that the sooner people will get past it and maybe make some good come from it like learning from it and possibly avoiding it in the future....or just keep making excuses and perpetuating the status quo.

Quote: @purplefaithful said:

IMO it is in this town...

Mpls is one of the last towns I'd want to raise my teen, black son if I had one.

MN is far more segregated than many cities I do business in. It's just a quieter segregation. I know many black people who I've worked with over the years wont stay here longer than they have to given how segregated the black community is here from the white.

I agree Castille shouldnt be smoking weed and carrying. That said, I also believe that's about as egregious as some booze and I still believe Castille is walking today if he was White. I also hope some learning comes from this, but I cant help but always netting to senseless and tragic. 

Quote: @purplefaithful said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Bolstad79 said:

@JimmyinSD said:

@Bolstad79 said:

@Vikeshrink said:
Every time I watch the video I see the same thing:  A poorly trained cop and a scared kid and a bunch of lives ruined.

I'd like to hear some thoughts on the OP.  

We have a police officer shooting a legally armed citizen who was stopped under apparently false pretense.

And the NRA says what??

He's black and it involved Blue, NRA isn't going to speak on the subject.

Or the fact that he is dead because he was high and didn't handle his end of the situation properly,  but calling out a minority for stupid behavior is not an acceptable answer. .it's now racist.

Why is the cop no longer a cop?

Personal choice and appearance.  They paid him off as well,  just his price was much lower.  I never claimed he didn't over reacted,  but being stoned with a gun eliminated any legality behind the deceaseds CC permit.  This isn't a black thing or a black and white thing, the sooner people accept that the sooner people will get past it and maybe make some good come from it like learning from it and possibly avoiding it in the future....or just keep making excuses and perpetuating the status quo.

IMO it is in this town...

Mpls is one of the last towns I'd want to raise my teen, black son if I had one.

MN is far more segregated than many cities I do business in. It's just a quieter segregation. I know many black people who I've worked with over the years wont stay here longer than they have to given how segregated the black community is here from the white.

I agree Castille shouldnt be smoking weed and carrying. That said, I also believe that's about as egregious as some booze and I still believe Castille is walking today if he was White. I also hope some learning comes from this, but I cant help but always netting to senseless and tragic.