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RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - MaroonBells - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 12:48 PM)medaille Wrote: Last 5 SB winning QBs are Stafford, Mahomes, Mahomes, Hurts, Darnold.
Of those I think only Darnold really has a Deadbeat label. Hurts is a quality QB that won a SB with the team that drafted him mid second round. Stafford and Mahomes are both high pedigree QBs that were very successful. Stafford wasn't really cast off his team though, as much as he was there for a billion years and out of respect they allowed him to be traded to a team that didn't suck to finish out his career and the Lions got a haul for him in the trade.
The 5 before that are Brady, Foles, Brady, Mahomes, Brady. Foles probably counts in that regard as he was a backup but on the team that drafted him.
Of the 10 before, they're all pretty highly regarded QBs who probably are going to be in the HOF, except for Flacco who snuck a win in there as a high draft pick on the team that drafted him.
If you want to compare Stafford who got traded for two firsts, a 3rd, and a starting QB to Murray, who just got cut and who's team is eating a ton of dead cap ... I guess.
The last 5 QBs to win a super bowl are Darnold, Hurts, Mahomes, Stafford and Brady. Darnold, Stafford and Brady were brought in via trade or free agency. Neither was a QB drafted and developed by the teams organically, which was the point made by the poster I was responding to. Deadbeat was his word not mine.
(04-02-2026, 12:56 PM)Vikesrock Wrote: Beyond even all this the absolute worst case scenario for the Vikings now is if Murray plays...ok. Not great, not terrible. Maybe they win 12 games and lost a 1st round playoff game, or even pull something out of their ass and make it to the divisional round. Now, going in to 2027, what the hell do you do for the future? Give Murray 50 million a year? You have to make a decision on McCarthy for his 5th year, and what if that is not with much more information then you have right now? You will have pushed yourself out of the 27 QB draft class. So guess where you are? Right where you are today....no where.
Why not wait to see how it plays out before wringing our hands over what to do in 2027? I tend to think 2026 and how it plays out will have a lot to say about the decision we make in 2027.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - Canthony - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 12:48 PM)MaroonBells Wrote: No, just a pretty significant upgrade for less money than we're paying Tai Felton. You're the only one talking about Tom Brady and the Hall of Fame. I guess because you think a little hyperbole gives your point more impact. It doesn't.
Don't patronize me. What I said has a valid point on how you talk about Murray. You think instantly, your words, that he will have his best year with the right team. That watch out MN, we will be making a decision to pay Murray big time money in 2027. So, I do have a point. Murray already has a huge contract from the Vikings in 2027 and get ready Vikings fans, you guys will see just how amazing Murray is. GTFO. DAL.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - purplefaithful - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 12:56 PM)Vikesrock Wrote: Beyond even all this the absolute worst case scenario for the Vikings now is if Murray plays...ok. Not great, not terrible. Maybe they win 12 games and lost a 1st round playoff game, or even pull something out of their ass and make it to the divisional round. Now, going in to 2027, what the hell do you do for the future? Give Murray 50 million a year? You have to make a decision on McCarthy for his 5th year, and what if that is not with much more information then you have right now? You will have pushed yourself out of the 27 QB draft class. So guess where you are? Right where you are today....no where.
Thats certainly one of 100 scenarios that can play itself out this year...
Bottom line is that this is a done deal, the upside is there and the value is off the charts. No long term commitment either.
Not picking on you or anyone else posting here, but we're at that time where fans need to decide how they are going to move forward; Hope for the best? Or just stew over things and be angry the next 9 mos?
I'm a season tix holder and decided to hopefully be entertained and win a SB.
But thats my religion and I'm not looking to convert anyone.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - Canthony - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 01:00 PM)MaroonBells Wrote:
Why not wait to see how it plays out before wringing our hands over what to do in 2027? I tend to think 2026 and how it plays out will have a lot to say about the decision we make in 2027.
Because according to you, the Vikings are already making a decision to pay Murray big money in 2027. It's a wrap.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - MaroonBells - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 01:13 PM)Canthony Wrote: Because according to you, the Vikings are already making a decision to pay Murray big money in 2027. It's a wrap.
You're kind of an idiot, aren't you. Either that or you're like 14 years old.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - medaille - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 01:00 PM)MaroonBells Wrote: ... Neither was a QB drafted and developed by the teams organically, which was the point made by the poster I was responding to. Deadbeat was his word not mine.
Sorry for misreading that. I don’t reread all the comments that people are replying to, so missed that context. I thought you were saying that Murray was on the level of those guys.
But yeah, I think the best path to a SB is still drafting your own guy and they work out, but bringing a veteran onto a stacked roster or one that at least has like 3 years of mortgaging the future left seems like a viable option. Brady and Stafford caliber QBs, if you can get them seems optimal for that strategy, but Darnold level QBs isn’t a complete waste of time.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - Canthony - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 01:57 PM)MaroonBells Wrote: You're kind of an idiot, aren't you. Either that or you're like 14 years old.
Name calling, I like it. Pretty standard for your kind. I am just reminding you the rhetoric that you have spewed since we signed him.
Anyways, anyone can cherry pick stats. Murray has lost games with his turnovers at inopportune times. Maybe he doesn't have that in him. Not sure. I know this
"Based on career statistics up to early 2026, Kyler Murray has turned the ball over 73 times (combined interceptions and lost fumbles) over 87 games, frequently influencing game outcomes. While specific "loss-due-to-turnover" counts are not officially tracked, he has a 38-48-1 record, when turnovers contributed to his team's inability to secure wins."
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - IceRatz16 - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 10:04 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: You talk about patience, but none of the QBs you mention suffered a season-ending injury their first season, followed by a 30 lb weight loss, followed by three more injuries in their second season.
None of this is anyone’s fault. It’s just reality, and it played a big part in why McCarthy did not develop along a similar timeline. It sucks. You bet it does. Woe is us. But it doesn’t mean that McCarthy can’t still develop. In fact, I believe he will. But based on what I witnessed last year, I just don’t trust him to do it as early as September 2026. And clearly, the team wasn't ready to, once again, place its win-now roster in the hands of a win-maybe-later QB.
But I do have a hunch McCarthy's going to have a terrific summer in his 3rd season in the offense. Murray will still start, but JJ's going to give them something to think about.
Injuries can explain the delay, they shouldn’t justify more of it. At some point you’ve gotta take the training wheels off and live with the results.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - Canthony - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 03:40 PM)IceRatz16 Wrote: Injuries can explain the delay, they shouldn’t justify more of it. At some point you’ve gotta take the training wheels off and live with the results.
Unfortunately, the decision has already been made to make Murray the starter. Maybe JJ can beat him, I think KOC already has made his decision, however. I just don't think Murray has the mental makeup for the position, and far too many times has cost his team the game because of bad decisions.
RE: Get ready for more of this until a starter is named - purplefaithful - 04-02-2026
(04-02-2026, 03:40 PM)IceRatz16 Wrote: Injuries can explain the delay, they shouldn’t justify more of it. At some point you’ve gotta take the training wheels off and live with the results.
(04-02-2026, 03:50 PM)Canthony Wrote: Unfortunately, the decision has already been made to make Murray the starter. Maybe JJ can beat him, I think KOC already has made his decision, however. I just don't think Murray has the mental makeup for the position, and far too many times has cost his team the game because of bad decisions.
Maybe they dont think JJM is ready to start yet? They havent been able to work with him at all yet.
Just spit balling here.
No, I dont think JJM will beat KM out in whatever feats of strength they'll conjure up this Spring/Summer...
It's not a fair fight between the 2. And I'm already looking forward to seeing what KM does here with this staff and surround. That said, it wouldnt surprise me if McCarthy does get a chance to play this season and I hope to hell he does well if given that chance.
As much as some of us want QB behind Curtain A or Curtain B, the reality is having them both perform well would be a nice problem for the Vikings to have at year end.
Either way, lets just win and lets end this decades long QB carousel with one of these 2 guys.
A fan can dream....