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RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - greediron - 04-07-2025
Patterson was a big guy who moved like a smaller guy. But his "best" years were as a RB. Several reasons, but likely that was the peak of his learning curve. Harvin never amounted to much for the same reason.
Yeah, if he could learn to run crisp routes, he could be a monster. Same with Metcalf. But for some reason, guys like Thielen, JJ, Diggs (minus the mental breakdown) have thrived at WR while other, bigger guys haven't. Megatron was one of the few exceptions.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - purplefaithful - 04-07-2025
Does this guy have a Wonderlic worth a damn?
I think that and drive to get better may be a good indicator.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - MaroonBells - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 01:12 PM)greediron Wrote: Depends on so many things. DK Metcalf should be the best WR in the league then. But so much more goes into being a WR, so the skinny 6'1" kid blows everyone away.
Why, because he can run routes, DBs can't read where he is going. Same with Thielen. Same with Diggs. Being able to run routes and disguise them makes them uncoverable. A big dude that can simply run fast isn't much of a threat in the NFL.
I completely agree with you that height/weight/speed is way overrated and route running is way underrated. It's why I liked Diggs in 2015 and why I had Jefferson at the top of my WR rankings in 2020. They weren't the biggest; they weren't the fastest, but they both had great feet and were very good route runners.
But you're selling Williams short by describing him simply as a big guy who can run fast. Watch his clips. I've never seen feet like that on a player that size. Ever. Doesn't mean he can play in the NFL, but I don't think the NFL has seen a player quite like this. Closest would be Cordarrelle Patterson...and even Patterson didn't have feet like this.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - JustInTime - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 02:01 PM)greediron Wrote: Patterson was a big guy who moved like a smaller guy. But his "best" years were as a RB. Several reasons, but likely that was the peak of his learning curve. Harvin never amounted to much for the same reason.
Yeah, if he could learn to run crisp routes, he could be a monster. Same with Metcalf. But for some reason, guys like Thielen, JJ, Diggs (minus the mental breakdown) have thrived at WR while other, bigger guys haven't. Megatron was one of the few exceptions.
I don’t think ever caught a contested ball let alone 75% of them. The comparison ends at movement skills.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - greediron - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 02:09 PM)JustInTime Wrote: I don’t think ever caught a contested ball let alone 75% of them. The comparison ends at movement skills.
Not quite sure what you are getting at. But I will be excited if Chicago wastes a high pick on him.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - JustInTime - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 03:59 PM)greediron Wrote: Not quite sure what you are getting at. But I will be excited if Chicago wastes a high pick on him.
Typed too fast.
I don’t think PATTERSON ever caught a contested pass let alone 75% of them.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - purplefaithful - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 04:03 PM)JustInTime Wrote: Typed too fast.
I don’t think PATTERSON ever caught a contested pass let alone 75% of them.
I was shocked to see he was still in the league. I think with The Ravens?
I'm still not sure if he can spell his first name correctly...
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - JustInTime - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 04:07 PM)purplefaithful Wrote: I was shocked to see he was still in the league. I think with The Ravens?
I'm still not sure if he can spell his first name correctly...
He spent 24 with the Steelers. Not sure if he has a home for 25.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - Canthony - 04-07-2025
(04-07-2025, 03:59 PM)greediron Wrote: Not quite sure what you are getting at. But I will be excited if Chicago wastes a high pick on him.
I agree, I won't be at all nervous if he goes to Chicago. I just see him as the type of player that has so many things going for him, but he will never be able to put it all together. Give me Kyle Williams all day. Savion is a hell of a talent; I didn't like or want DK as well coming out. Let another team waste their time on the kid.
RE: Biggest Draft Karma Known To Man - JustInTime - 04-07-2025
Fifth-year senior with alignment versatility and home run potential. Williams will never be tabbed as “sure-handed” but he can separate deep and create big plays, which could make the catch issues easier to swallow. He eliminates pursuit angles as a catch-and-run artist and gets respectful cushions, allowing for easy comeback throws. His lack of route-running fundamentals limit his tree, but that should be correctable with work. Williams' subpar hands lower his floor, but teams looking to add a playmaker could have him queued up as a future WR3.
Sounds like Troy Williamson to me…