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RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - supafreak84 - 03-28-2025
(03-28-2025, 03:16 PM)MaroonBells Wrote: Booker's not the best fit for us. I wouldn't hate a guard with our first pick, but with all the CBs, Safeties, RBs and DTs who will be available there, the need at those positions, and given the fact that we just gave Brandel a 3-year deal, I would be pretty damn surprised if we went guard there. If we do, I'd rather trade down and grab Donovan Jackson, whom I like a little more than Booker.
I'd be mildly surprised if we took a guard also, but after the playoff loss and KOC's comments on getting the interior line fixed, are we done? Brandel did not grade out very well if we are using the PFF grading scale. Booker is just a better player.
Just my opinion on this cornetback crop, but it's pretty mid. The problem being two of the better ones are coming off major injury and I think the lack of quality is going to force Barron up boards. Seeing a lot of mocks having him as a trendy pick to the Cardinals at #16. Where does that leave us? I wouldn't take any of these corners over Booker. I'd love one of these super talented running backs but afraid that train left the station when we traded for Mason. Probably more of a mid to late round need at this point. Totally on board with a defensive tackle pick
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - JustInTime - 03-31-2025
2. OMARION HAMPTON, North Carolina (5-11 ½, 223, 4.50, 1-2): Finished second to Jeanty in rushing last season with 1,660 (5.9) and had 10 100-yard games in 12 appearances. “I’m going to sound crazy saying this but I like him over Boise (Jeanty),” said one scout. “Athletic, strong mover with burst. Stays low on contact. Runs with vision. Average twitch, but he’ll run through some tackles. Hands are fine. Makes plays in space. Pass pro is good.” Tested well with a 38-inch vertical jump and a 10-10 broad jump. “He is a punishing runner but he also has exceptional contact balance to stay on his feet through those collisions,” said a second scout. “Now that’s going to lead to a shorter career than you’d like. But while he’s still young and there’s some tread on the tires, man, that guy’s gonna be a really, really solid player throughout his rookie contract.” Finished with 622 carries for 3,565 (5.7) and 36 TDs to go with 73 receptions for 635 (8.7) and four scores. “Big dude with some niftiness,” said a third scout. “Short bursts. More of a downhill, crease runner. Really good hands out of the backfield.
Well, at least one guy who gets paid to do this likes Hampton more than me lol
RJ Harvey, Central Florida (5-8, 205, 4.40)
Said one scout: “Kind of a poor man’s Bucky Irving. Kind of built the same way. Really like his demeanor. Compact guy. He’s shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He’ll be a solid, efficient, productive No. 2 back that can ascend into a heavier role with more experience.”
Didn’t make the top 12. That’s mind numbing.
Neal not in the top 12 or the next 5. I expected JCM to hit the next 5. Crazy class. Judkins being a PITA was news to me. But that’s McGinn. You get the widest range of opinions anywhere. Read his stuff enough and you’ll get to the point where you don’t like any prospect.
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - MaroonBells - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 09:11 AM)JustInTime Wrote: 2. OMARION HAMPTON, North Carolina (5-11 ½, 223, 4.50, 1-2): Finished second to Jeanty in rushing last season with 1,660 (5.9) and had 10 100-yard games in 12 appearances. “I’m going to sound crazy saying this but I like him over Boise (Jeanty),” said one scout. “Athletic, strong mover with burst. Stays low on contact. Runs with vision. Average twitch, but he’ll run through some tackles. Hands are fine. Makes plays in space. Pass pro is good.” Tested well with a 38-inch vertical jump and a 10-10 broad jump. “He is a punishing runner but he also has exceptional contact balance to stay on his feet through those collisions,” said a second scout. “Now that’s going to lead to a shorter career than you’d like. But while he’s still young and there’s some tread on the tires, man, that guy’s gonna be a really, really solid player throughout his rookie contract.” Finished with 622 carries for 3,565 (5.7) and 36 TDs to go with 73 receptions for 635 (8.7) and four scores. “Big dude with some niftiness,” said a third scout. “Short bursts. More of a downhill, crease runner. Really good hands out of the backfield.
Well, at least one guy who gets paid to do this likes Hampton more than me lol
RJ Harvey, Central Florida (5-8, 205, 4.40)
Said one scout: “Kind of a poor man’s Bucky Irving. Kind of built the same way. Really like his demeanor. Compact guy. He’s shown he can catch the ball out of the backfield. He’ll be a solid, efficient, productive No. 2 back that can ascend into a heavier role with more experience.”
Didn’t make the top 12. That’s mind numbing.
Neal not in the top 12 or the next 5. I expected JCM to hit the next 5. Crazy class. Judkins being a PITA was news to me. But that’s McGinn. You get the widest range of opinions anywhere. Read his stuff enough and you’ll get to the point where you don’t like any prospect.
I wouldn't put too much credence in where any of these guys are ranked by McGinn's scouts. None of them would agree on that anway. McGinn's whole MO is to provide a variety of takes on each player. So he purposefully includes at least one positive review and one negative. Does that represent a consensus opinion? Not at all. It could be 50 to 1.
I've always felt it's basically Jeanty and then everyone else. And then once you get past Jeanty, Hampton, Henderson and Judkins, it's a 20-way tie for 5th. The scouts say pretty much the same thing.
“Jeanty is the best. The rest of these guys, just throw ‘em in a bag and mix ‘em up and shake them all. They’re good. Second-round picks, third-round picks. The order is they’re pretty much all the same. In my mind, there isn’t much separation between the No. 6 back...and the backs residing at Nos. 19-20-21." Harvey's definitely in that second group. Where you put him is more about fit than anything I think. One team might have him 5th, another 20th.
Biggest difference is they have Kaleb Johnson in that top 5. A lot of people do. I have problems with his lack of COD, so I put him somewhere in the jumble of 20.
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - JustInTime - 03-31-2025
Can’t find it, but someone at the Athletic took a shot at the McGinn guys. I’m sure after 5 decades he’s got new sources but yes, each of his week long series is curated in the same manner.
I can probably count on both hands the number of times there’s been a consensus on a prospect. Jonathan Ogden was probably the last. Guys like him, John Hannah and Moss needed to play in a league higher than the NFL.
10. BHAYSHUL TUTEN, Virginia Tech (5-9, 206, 4.29, 3-4): Fastest back on the board. “He ran that 4.2 and you see that on the field,” one scout said. “He is the most explosive of all these guys. Runs hard, too. You get him in a crease or the open field and it’s over with. He’s the closest one to (Jahmyr) Gibbs as far as, if there’s a crease, it’s over. He’s in the mix as my No. 2 running back (in the draft).” Tuten’s vertical jump of 40 ½ also led the position. His broad jump was 10-10. “I’m a big fan,” another scout said before the combine. “After the combine things will change. He has a chance to run in the 4.3s. He’s talented.”
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - MaroonBells - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 10:27 AM)JustInTime Wrote: Can’t find it, but someone at the Athletic took a shot at the McGinn guys. I’m sure after 5 decades he’s got new sources but yes, each of his week long series is curated in the same manner.
I can probably count on both hands the number of times there’s been a consensus on a prospect. Jonathan Ogden was probably the last. Guys like him, John Hannah and Moss needed to play in a league higher than the NFL.
Well by consensus I just mean a prevailing belief. A majority opinion. Not unanimity. I think I saw that Athletic piece. People HATE anonymous scouts. I get it. Media have to put their name on everything. They live and die by their opinions. And these bastards are never named. But McGinn obviously can't identify them.
Personally I think it's good to read what ACTUAL NFL personnel people think after months of reading media takes. They can be brutal in their negative takes tho. I still remember the one about David Yankey. Something like "I must not know what I'm doing, because I don't see it. That kid can't play." He was right though.
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - JustInTime - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 10:45 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Well by consensus I just mean a prevailing belief. A majority opinion. Not unanimity. I think I saw that Athletic piece. People HATE anonymous scouts. I get it. Media have to put their name on everything. They live and die by their opinions. And these bastards are never named. But McGinn obviously can't identify them.Totally understand. I’m just saying it’s super rare when there’s been literal consensus on a prospect.
Personally I think it's good to read what ACTUAL NFL personnel people think after months of reading media takes. They can be brutal in their negative takes tho. I still remember the one about David Yankey. Something like "I must not know what I'm doing, because I don't see it. That kid can't play." He was right though.
It is a kick to hear what the guys who get paid say. I remember one guy downgrading Moss for I think was a lackluster performance in a bowl game vs nondescript CBs.
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - MaroonBells - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 11:08 AM)JustInTime Wrote: Totally understand. I’m just saying it’s super rare when there’s been literal consensus on a prospect.
It is a kick to hear what the guys who get paid say. I remember one guy downgrading Moss for I think was a lackluster performance in a bowl game vs nondescript CBs.
Or AJ Terrell getting dinged for his Natty against those two LSU receivers...can't remember their names...Chase and Justin something?
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - JustInTime - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 11:16 AM)MaroonBells Wrote: Or AJ Terrell getting dinged for his Natty against those two LSU receivers...can't remember their names...Chase and Justin something?
Yup. Apparently the pros get locked in on something and tunnel vision ensues.
Speaking of…look at Knight, I’m telling ya there’s a bigger need at iLB than we’re thinking. D suffered greatly with Cashman out and to a lesser extent Pace. Wilson is sufficient depth but I’m really in on Knight.
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - MaroonBells - 03-31-2025
(03-31-2025, 11:44 AM)JustInTime Wrote: Yup. Apparently the pros get locked in on something and tunnel vision ensues.
Speaking of…look at Knight, I’m telling ya there’s a bigger need at iLB than we’re thinking. D suffered greatly with Cashman out and to a lesser extent Pace. Wilson is sufficient depth but I’m really in on Knight.
I still haven't looked at him yet. But I will. I do agree that LB is a bigger need than some think. But with Cashman and Pace secure as ILB 1 and 2, and with Eric Wilson coming in to be ILB3, the only player that needs an immediate upgrade is LB4, the Asamoah role, a special teams role more than anything. I do think they could upgrade that on day three but hard to see day two, which is where Knight seems to be going. But who knows, if he's everything BFlo has ever wanted in a LB, all bets are off.
RE: For Those Who Celebrate It’s McGinn Season - JustInTime - 04-01-2025
6. DERRICK HARMON, Oregon (6-4 ½, 320, 5.01, 1-2): Played at Michigan State from 2021-’23, reportedly weighing 340 in his final season, before heading westward after the Spartans’ spring ball. “Like his size, the disruption, the athleticism and the strength,” said one scout. “Plays out of control. Plays high. It hurt his production this season. He missed a lot of tackles. But if you want a guy that’s up the field and a disruptive penetrator, he’s a really good prospect. He can play whatever. He even played some nose this year. He’s got the length to play 5 (technique) and the quickness to play 3. If he goes after 20 someone’s getting a great value pick.” Started 15 of 28 games in East Lansing before starting all year for the Ducks. Long arms (34 3/8) and largest hands at the position (10 3/8) among the top 12. “He played like a fence-post 5-technique in an old 3-4 scheme,” another scout said. “Really strong upper and lower (body). Has more straight-line speed than you would guess for a big guy. Not real twitchy or sudden. He’s heavy-footed in change of direction. More of a placeholder than a playmaker.” Finished with 116 tackles (18 for loss), 8 ½ sacks and six passes defensed. “Taller, linear, high-hipped,” said a third scout. “He’s OK. He gives you effort. I gave him credit for being able to play a bunch of positions adequately. Nothing really stands out. Good but not a great pass rusher. Just kind of a utility guy. His pass rush is more stunting and effort. He’s not going to beat your ass with moves. Second round.” Started on both offense and defense all four years at Loyola High in Detroit.