Geoff Nichols NFLDG Vikings Mock Draft 1.0

With the bulk of free agency wrapped up, its time to get into the mock draft business for the first time this year. A little over a month out from the draft, things are still fluid as teams begin to stack their boards in roughly 3-4 weeks. But at this point you can start to get an accurate idea of who teams may be targeting as they build their rosters for the 2017 campaign. Although this is just a Vikings mock I will plan on posting my initial top 5 by position early next week.

 

2 (48): Trade down with Oakland for 2 (56) / 4 (130) / 6 (208) – Through FA the Vikings have lost some of their depth on both sides of the ball as they focused on fixing the offensive line. Trading down in the 2nd gets the team to the ever so coveted 10 picks in this years deep draft class to stock up on depth in the mid to later rounds.

 

2 (56): Pat Elflein [C/OG Ohio State] – Early in FA the Vikings were able to find some stability at tackle with the additions of Riley Reiff & Mike Remmers, interior depth is still lacking. An eye to the future also needs to be placed on Joe Berger who will be 35 prior to the 2017 season. Elflein is a powerful run blocker and locker room leader out of Ohio State. He can immediately challenge Joe Berger for the starting center role while also offering some indirect competition to Sirles at right guard. ‘Elf’ is clearly being viewed as the center of the future and a potential leader in the O-line room. A long-term solution in the middle of the line can solidify the collaboration between each of the O-lines working parts both now and in the future.

 

3 (79): Duke Riley [WLB LSU] – Based on how the Vikings defense operates the WLB spot is not a massive hole due to the amount of time spend in the nickel, that doesn’t mean the team won’t look to upgrade the position. The Vikings were enamored with Deion Jones in 2016 and were planning on selecting him in the 2nd round before Atlanta took him off the board. Another athletic LSU linebacker in Duke Riley could be just as attractive in 2017. Riley doesn’t have volumes of tape since he hit the field as a senior, but he made a impact in games. He has the athleticism to hold the edge and play in coverage. He is the type of LB that could allow the Vikings to sit in their base defense more often and stuff the run at a higher rate. Lamur may be the opening day starter, but Riley could compete immediately and would allow Robinson to stay on the strong side where he is more comfortable.

 

3 (86): Bucky Hodges [TE Virginia Tech] – Taking a run at Jared Cook in free agency confirmed the hunch I’ve had that the team would like a vertical receiving threat at TE to compliment Rudolph over the middle. Being able to dictate matchups using TE’s can lead to a lot of easy yardage and pull players out of the box for an offense. Hodges is more like a super sized WR than TE, but that fits the Vikings well. In Shurmur’s offense Rudolph can line up within the formation with Hodges isolated on the outside or in the slot. At Virigina Tech he proved to have the long speed to beat DB’s and LB’s down the field and the size to overwhelm slot DB’s. Although he isn’t a pure receiver in the sense that he can double catch the ball at times it hasn’t been a major issue in college. This pick not only bring a TE to compliment Rudolph but also hedges against a lack of outside receiver depth.

 

4 (121): Justin Evans [S Texas A&M] – Prior to the 2016 draft the Vikings had done plenty of work on the premiere safeties in the draft class only to see them go off the board prior to their first pick. During the year Sendejo was a pleasant surprise and had a career year next to Harrison Smith. I don’t think a single season will prevent the Vikings from looking at a potential long-term starter next to Smith and quality depth on the back end. When either Sendejo or Smith couldn’t get on the field the Vikings pass defense had a clear weak link in Harris/Kearse. Evans is the all-around safety who is not afraid to come downhill in the run game but also has the skills to play center field over the top. Just watching a single game of tape, you walk away knowing he can install fear in WR’s trying to work across the middle. Evans likely wouldn’t be a day one starter but has the potential to be an above average pairing with Harrison as early as 2018.

 

4 (129): Kareem Hunt [RB Toledo] – Entering 2017 the Vikings should not have an issue at RB with their current committee of Latavius Murray & Jerrick McKinnon. It would still be foolish to pass on a back in this deep of a draft class however. Kareem Hunt is not the fastest or strongest, but he has enough to get the job done and be an all-around back in the NFL. Working primarily out of the spread at Toledo, Hunt has an natural ability to read his blocks up front and hit the hole. Once in the open field he is capable of breaking tackles with a deceptive speed to his game, balance, and proper pad level. He won’t push the pile at the end of runs but doesn’t leave much yardage on the field. In the passing game he will need to develop as a pass protector but provides good hands and shows the same ability to make things happen once the ball is in his hands. Overall, you can expect Hunt to develop into a potential 3-down player once he gets a conceptual understanding of NFL pass protections.

 

4 (130): Nico Siragusa [OG San Diego State] – Sticking with the earlier theme, depth along the interior line needs to be replenished in this years draft. Siragusa is a prototypical right guard who likely isn’t ready to make an immediate impact on day one. Siragusa needs to learn how to play more functionally with his hands and understand leverage at the NFL level in pass protection. When playing downhill he can clear holes in the run game with his pure mass. With the selection of Elflein above, there would be no pressure to plug and play Nico. However, once 2018 rolls around he could be called upon to be the starting RG.

 

5 (160): Zane Gonzalez [K Arizona State] – It is always hard to judge where kickers will be drafted since teams always value special teams differently. Tampa Bay drafting a kicker in the 2nd round last season likely will scare teams off a bit. On the flip side Gonzalez is one of the best kickers I have ever personally scouted. Zane has a big leg with the consistent accuracy to hit the ball dead center through the uprights, which is a testament to his NCAA scoring record. On kickoffs Gonzalez’s big leg comes through in the form of touchbacks. Kai Forbath was not bad for the Vikings in 2016 but lacks the upside you look for on kickoffs. Finding a long-term solution at this juncture makes sense from a value perspective.

 

6 (199): Ryan Switzer [WR North Carolina] – Unless the Vikings are able to add another presences on the outside Jarius Wright is likely your slot receiver entering 2017. Hodges can likely play on the outside from time to time, but he isn’t going to consistently line up as a receiver. Wright took a step back in his ability to get on the field last season and deserves some competition for motivation. Switzer is a pure slot threat with good hands. He isn’t the most physically intimidating guy, but he got the job done and was a go to receiver for Trubisky.

 

6 (208): Jeremy Cutrer [CB Middle Tennessee] – This is a guy I have recently caught onto that may appeal to the Vikings bump and run strategy. Cutrer has the size and length you look for in an outside corner and plays in an off-man system at Middle Tennessee that translates well to MN. Cutrer consistently shows the ability to mirror his man in off coverage before breaking downwards on routes. If you want a good example of how he plays against NFL level talent throw on his film against Alabama. His ball skills are a bit underwhelming but he finds himself around the football which shows there is some upside for improvement. It is unlikely Cutrer will develop into a #1/#2 CB but he has the potential to develop into a rotational piece that can take snaps down the road.

 

7 (232) Jeremiah Ledbetter [DT Arkansas] – The addition of Datone Jones’ versatility really pushed a need for a 3-tech DT down the list. With the hopeful return of Sharrif Floyd the Vikings should be able to generate an ever so important interior pass rush. Ledbetter needs a good coaching staff to take advantage of the raw ability he does possess. As of now he has a very quick first step that can get him upfield and after the QB. He lacks the secondary pass rushing moves and understanding of leverage to be a threat immediately. However, you can’t teach his size/speed/length combo. Giving him to Zimmer is the best change he is going to get to succeed in this league.

37 thoughts on “Geoff Nichols NFLDG Vikings Mock Draft 1.0

  • March 18, 2017 at 12:59 pm
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    Not a fan of trading down in the 2nd, dropping 8 spots and then watch a run happen on interior linemen that Vikings could use and would most likely have on their board.  It’s time for Rick to scrap the 10 pick mantra and pick quality over quantity.

    Taking a kicker in the 5th, been burned by that twice with Walsh and Locke.  Roll with an UDFA.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 1:06 pm
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    Awesome writing Geoff! Huge fan of many of these guys (elf, zane, hunt, evans) and would be really happy with this draft.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 3:00 pm
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    I like Switzer a lot. Great return guy as well.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 3:02 pm
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    Great job Geoff, I’d be very happy with this result.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 3:22 pm
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    Thanks for putting together a new mock and starting the discussion. Based off of who we lost, who we signed, and which positions/players we tried to sign things are starting to come into focus. The Vikings have a lot of roster depth concerns right now, so moving down in the draft to acquire more picks would make sense. As for the picks:

    • I like the Elflein pick in the 2nd. They did a decent job of address tackle in the short term in FA, but the interior line still needs. Elflein gives them a better longterm C solution than Easton and given the number of OL injuries they dealt with last year, position flexiblity is a good thing.
    • Duke Riley is one of several linebackers I’ve seen people mention as a fit for Zimmer’s scheme. Elijah Lee is another one. I’m a bit mixed on this. On one hand, I could see them playing more base to compensate for losing Munnerlyn and I don’t have a huge amount of confidence in Lamur or Robinson at this point. I also worry that our D falls off when Kendricks or Barr get banged up, so another LB isn’t crazy, but I might look for WR depth or developmental OT here.
    • I watched some video of Bucky Hodges the other week. Not sure what to think of him. He’s definitely more of an oversized WR, his blocking didn’t seem great, but he did stretch the field and was able to win contested matchups albeit clumsily. He also drew a lot of flags, which I don’t know if that will continue in the NFL. I wish I remember which show on Sirius NFL I was listening to today, but they were talking about how the Vikings interest in Jared Cook was more a concern about adding another playmaker to the offense than needing another TE. Hard to say how he projects to the NFL, but I watched some of Adam Shaheen and liked what I saw. A versatile player who is a good blocker, can stretch the field better than you’d think for a 278 lb guy, and a good red zone target. Issue with him is that he played at a small school, so who knows how he fairs when he can’t just physically dominate people anymore. Also, he may be more of a fit for what were doing with Turner than what Shurmur wants to do.
    • Haven’t looked into Justin Evans yet. I do agree that our safety played dropped off considerably when the starters got hurt, so not a bad area to address even if I’d like to see Kearse develop into something.
    • Hunt is fine at running back. I would say that with McKinnon on the last year of his deal and Murray on a contract that is easy to get out of that they could pretty much take any kind of back they want, but being able to run out of the shotgun and contribute in the passing game is a must.
    • Siragusa would be fine. One caveat is that Spielman mentioned that he thinks Remmers could play RG, so knowing that I might prefer taking a tackle here. However, Siragusa is a big road grading RG, who would likely be a very good fit for. I guess drafting a tackle here too would depend if they think that Clemmings and Beavers are lost causes, but I’d prefer someone different in the mix.
    • A big legged kicker would be nice to have. It’s risky drafting one, because you can look at a kicker like Aguayo who has all of the physical tools, but is mentally shakey. I don’t pay much attention to ASU anymore, but I thought he had some key kicks that he missed, but looking back at his stats that doesn’t seem to be the case.
    • As for Switzer, Cutrer, and Ledbetter. You’re basically looking for special teamers, raw guys with good measureables, or scheme fits here. We desperately need to find a kick returner with one of these picks and we need to bolster our coverage teams too.
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  • March 18, 2017 at 3:35 pm
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    Thanks Geoff…

     

    Can’t comment on the individual players, I dont follow the college game enough.

    I’ll add this:

    • I like the thought of adding a powerful, smart C and see that in your’s and Supa’s Mocks
    • I’d like to see us add another OT, tail-back, and I think we need to add another capable WR – X or Slot with our 3rd or 4th round picks. 
    • Wonder what they’d do if Mixon is there near 48? Is he red-tagged? (not to hijack the thread). 
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  • March 18, 2017 at 3:53 pm
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    Posted this as an article and moved the discussion into this thread to keep things nice and concise. 

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  • March 18, 2017 at 5:12 pm
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    -I would be fine with Elfein at that pick, and also don’t mind moving back for the extra picks.

    -Given that we aren’t desperate at TE right now, I would be more inclined to to use that pick on RB or WR, and waiting until the 4th rd. where you still could probably get Jake Butt, and wait for him to heal from the knee injury.

    -Given what I think Shurmer is looking for at RB, I think he’ll be looking for more of a pass catcher than what Hunt has shown.

    -I’d try to get Dawkins or Asiata as a true RG earlier than the Siragusa pick.

    -Torn on the kicker in the 5th… We need a punter first and foremost. Could Kenny Allenof Michigan be used for kickoffs and punts and keep our current FG guy for the year? Probably go for a 7th or un-drafted.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 5:19 pm
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    If it shook out that way, I’d be pretty happy with it.  But I sure would like to see the OT position addressed a bit more.  Would Leamon or Holden be available in the 4th-5th rounds?

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  • March 18, 2017 at 5:31 pm
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    Super mock draft! I like all but a couple of your picks and in fact I’m a bit dubious some will be available when you project. Hodges in the 3rd is one; seemed like his combine workout boosted him higher than that. But no complaints as he could be a very dynamic receiver. The other is Josh Evans, who would be fantastic but I think he’ll go higher.

    My least favorite picks are Gonzalez and Switzer. Good players, but like others I fear taking a K so high. Switzer just seems limited to the slot and I think Wright is fine (especially if Diggs takes more snaps there). Given that, I would take a developmental outside receiver, possibly a bit earlier.

    Love the Duke Riley pick!

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  • March 18, 2017 at 5:42 pm
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    Thanks Geoff.  Like an earlier poster stated I don’t follow the college game nearly enough to opine about specific players but I do like the positions you have them going after in the mock.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 6:35 pm
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    – I don’t like Elflien that high. To me when I look at this crop of centers they all have questions. Elflein is generally ranked as the highest, but I know there are concerns in scouting circles about his size and if he is athletic enough to be effective in every scheme and he lacks the bulk to move to guard if he struggles at center. I don’t see a big enough disparity in talent between the centers to take Elflein that high. I would just as soon take Orlosky or Toth in the 5th or 6th rounds.

    – I would be pretty disappointed to see us take a LB and backup safety that high. I think there is a need for some LB depth, but am pretty comfortable with Lamur and Edmond Robinson competing for that spot (which like you stated isn’t a 3 down position). I think the needs on offense dwarf the other side of the ball to be using early picks on backup defenders.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 9:11 pm
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    Elflein is definitely the player I’ve been keeping in mind for the Vikings. He is gonna work his ass off and be a starter for many years. What more could you ask for at that point in the draft?

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  • March 18, 2017 at 10:26 pm
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    Thanks for putting in the work. I would be pleased if the draft shook out that way. Who knows how the draft will go and what Spielman is thinking. The rational for your picks is sound. Nice job.

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  • March 18, 2017 at 10:31 pm
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    Geoff – Good take and points.

     

    I would agree with a trade down if the Vikes can still land a Feeney or Elf in the 2nd.

    With the 3rd picks I would like to see us take Mixon (RB) and Pocic (C/G).  I do like Riley and think he would be a good fit, but I think the Vikes could find a good fit with Lee in a round later.  With Mixon we get a 3-down back who can do it all, including the return game.  He brings PR issues, but his talent is off the charts and his ability is undeniable.  Pocic has the versatility that the Vikings covet and could solidify the C position for the next decade.  He’s the next Birk.

    I like Elijah Lee (LB) in the 4th.  He has the speed, tackling, and nose for the football.  He may be a little undersized, but he makes up for it with his speed and instincts.

    TE is a need, as is K/P and I prefer selecting Gonzalez as you stated.  His leg is strong and accurate.  I also like Asiata and Garcia (OTs).  It would be nice to pick up a WR like Switzer as well.

    Ledbetter is a great final pick though.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 12:54 am
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    Great job as always, Geoff. I respect your efforts and opinions. You obviously have insight and actual knowledge that I lack, and I truly appreciate that fact and offer you my sincere thanks for providing numb nuts like me with your info. THANK YOU.

    That being said, if Spielman trades down to fulfill his asinine 10 pick rule in this draft, he should be fired on the spot. Especially if that trade down includes drafting a kicker. You have GOT to be shitting me! 

    Does Richard have a “study” that PROVES 10 draft picks, regardless of WHERE they are, leads to WINNING? If so, I would LOVE to read that sucker! Are you telling me that 3 first rounders, 3 second rounders and 4 third rounders is the equal of your scenario? They both equal 10 (actually your is 11), don’t they? This is how Slick Rick deflects blame….focusing on some random number that’s EASILY attainable and ignoring the goal that is NOT easily attainable: WINNING.

    Again, Geoff, this is NOT directed at you, but having been a diehard fan since the late ’60’s, I have no more patience for “wait until next year” from someone who has been in charge of scouting and personnel for 11 years.

    QUALITY is what matters in the draft and fielding a WINNING team is the ONLY thing that matters. 

    “Value” at a specific draft selection, how many “starters”  you draft, how many Pro Bowlers you draft, how young your team is, how many draft picks you have, or how you manage the salary cap doesn’t mean Jack Schitt without RESULTS.

    The primary job of a VP of Personnel/GM of a Professional Sports Team is to put together a TEAM that WINS. Very simple. Win consistently and have a realistic chance at a championship. That’s the job, not this other individual performance crap.

    Ricky has had MORE than a fair opportunity to show results and he has failed. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad person or the worst GM. It DOES indicate that a different approach is needed. 

    I realize this post will be met with the typical “hater” and “repetitive” replies, and that’s fine. I would REALLY like to see a cognitive response as to why, given Spielman’s documented losing record as a personnel executive, we should expect a drastically different result in 2017 than we have SEEN from 2006 – 2016.

    Once again, thanks Geoff for your great posts.

    Peace.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 8:06 am
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    njvike said
    Great job as always, Geoff. I respect your efforts and opinions. You obviously have insight and actual knowledge that I lack, and I truly appreciate that fact and offer you my sincere thanks for providing numb nuts like me with your info. THANK YOU.

    That being said, if Spielman trades down to fulfill his asinine 10 pick rule in this draft, he should be fired on the spot. Especially if that trade down includes drafting a kicker. You have GOT to be shitting me! 

    Does Richard have a “study” that PROVES 10 draft picks, regardless of WHERE they are, leads to WINNING? If so, I would LOVE to read that sucker! Are you telling me that 3 first rounders, 3 second rounders and 4 third rounders is the equal of your scenario? They both equal 10 (actually your is 11), don’t they? This is how Slick Rick deflects blame….focusing on some random number that’s EASILY attainable and ignoring the goal that is NOT easily attainable: WINNING.

    Again, Geoff, this is NOT directed at you, but having been a diehard fan since the late ’60’s, I have no more patience for “wait until next year” from someone who has been in charge of scouting and personnel for 11 years.

    QUALITY is what matters in the draft and fielding a WINNING team is the ONLY thing that matters. 

    “Value” at a specific draft selection, how many “starters”  you draft, how many Pro Bowlers you draft, how young your team is, how many draft picks you have, or how you manage the salary cap doesn’t mean Jack Schitt without RESULTS.

    The primary job of a VP of Personnel/GM of a Professional Sports Team is to put together a TEAM that WINS. Very simple. Win consistently and have a realistic chance at a championship. That’s the job, not this other individual performance crap.

    Ricky has had MORE than a fair opportunity to show results and he has failed. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad person or the worst GM. It DOES indicate that a different approach is needed. 

    I realize this post will be met with the typical “hater” and “repetitive” replies, and that’s fine. I would REALLY like to see a cognitive response as to why, given Spielman’s documented losing record as a personnel executive, we should expect a drastically different result in 2017 than we have SEEN from 2006 – 2016.

    Once again, thanks Geoff for your great posts.

    Peace.  

    You got one thing right: You are a numbnut.

    But seriously, this is probably the most rational post I’ve seen of yours regarding Rick. And while I may not share the same opinion, at least I can acknowledge your logic. You should post like this more often.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 9:51 am
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    njvike said
    Great job as always, Geoff. I respect your efforts and opinions. You obviously have insight and actual knowledge that I lack, and I truly appreciate that fact and offer you my sincere thanks for providing numb nuts like me with your info. THANK YOU.

    That being said, if Spielman trades down to fulfill his asinine 10 pick rule in this draft, he should be fired on the spot. Especially if that trade down includes drafting a kicker. You have GOT to be shitting me! 

    Does Richard have a “study” that PROVES 10 draft picks, regardless of WHERE they are, leads to WINNING? If so, I would LOVE to read that sucker! Are you telling me that 3 first rounders, 3 second rounders and 4 third rounders is the equal of your scenario? They both equal 10 (actually your is 11), don’t they? This is how Slick Rick deflects blame….focusing on some random number that’s EASILY attainable and ignoring the goal that is NOT easily attainable: WINNING.

    Again, Geoff, this is NOT directed at you, but having been a diehard fan since the late ’60’s, I have no more patience for “wait until next year” from someone who has been in charge of scouting and personnel for 11 years.

    QUALITY is what matters in the draft and fielding a WINNING team is the ONLY thing that matters. 

    “Value” at a specific draft selection, how many “starters”  you draft, how many Pro Bowlers you draft, how young your team is, how many draft picks you have, or how you manage the salary cap doesn’t mean Jack Schitt without RESULTS.

    The primary job of a VP of Personnel/GM of a Professional Sports Team is to put together a TEAM that WINS. Very simple. Win consistently and have a realistic chance at a championship. That’s the job, not this other individual performance crap.

    Ricky has had MORE than a fair opportunity to show results and he has failed. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad person or the worst GM. It DOES indicate that a different approach is needed. 

    I realize this post will be met with the typical “hater” and “repetitive” replies, and that’s fine. I would REALLY like to see a cognitive response as to why, given Spielman’s documented losing record as a personnel executive, we should expect a drastically different result in 2017 than we have SEEN from 2006 – 2016.

    Once again, thanks Geoff for your great posts.

    Peace.  

    This was a mock draft. I look forward to your response to the real one!

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  • March 19, 2017 at 10:03 am
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    Trades are hard to predict.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 10:10 am
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    njvike said
    Great job as always, Geoff. I respect your efforts and opinions. You obviously have insight and actual knowledge that I lack, and I truly appreciate that fact and offer you my sincere thanks for providing numb nuts like me with your info. THANK YOU.

    That being said, if Spielman trades down to fulfill his asinine 10 pick rule in this draft, he should be fired on the spot. Especially if that trade down includes drafting a kicker. You have GOT to be shitting me! 

    Does Richard have a “study” that PROVES 10 draft picks, regardless of WHERE they are, leads to WINNING? If so, I would LOVE to read that sucker! Are you telling me that 3 first rounders, 3 second rounders and 4 third rounders is the equal of your scenario? They both equal 10 (actually your is 11), don’t they? This is how Slick Rick deflects blame….focusing on some random number that’s EASILY attainable and ignoring the goal that is NOT easily attainable: WINNING.

    Again, Geoff, this is NOT directed at you, but having been a diehard fan since the late ’60’s, I have no more patience for “wait until next year” from someone who has been in charge of scouting and personnel for 11 years.

    QUALITY is what matters in the draft and fielding a WINNING team is the ONLY thing that matters. 

    “Value” at a specific draft selection, how many “starters”  you draft, how many Pro Bowlers you draft, how young your team is, how many draft picks you have, or how you manage the salary cap doesn’t mean Jack Schitt without RESULTS.

    The primary job of a VP of Personnel/GM of a Professional Sports Team is to put together a TEAM that WINS. Very simple. Win consistently and have a realistic chance at a championship. That’s the job, not this other individual performance crap.

    Ricky has had MORE than a fair opportunity to show results and he has failed. That doesn’t mean he’s a bad person or the worst GM. It DOES indicate that a different approach is needed. 

    I realize this post will be met with the typical “hater” and “repetitive” replies, and that’s fine. I would REALLY like to see a cognitive response as to why, given Spielman’s documented losing record as a personnel executive, we should expect a drastically different result in 2017 than we have SEEN from 2006 – 2016.

    Once again, thanks Geoff for your great posts.

    Peace.  

     

    Good points but I think that this article kind of explains the rationale about having more picks.

    http://www.vox.com/2014/5/7/56…..rationally

     

    I think the thought is that the more picks you have the better your chances are of finding a good player.

    It would be nice to have more high picks but the cost of acquiring those it very high.

    Once you get to the 5th round then it really is not a lot of difference between a player picked in the 7th round IMO.

     

    I think a small trade down in the 2nd round that gets you an extra 4th and 6th is not a bad move.

    I suppose you would have to see the players that were picked from 48 through 55.

    But that implies that the scouting is really good.

     

    I do agree about drafting players that put their foot on the ball.  Not a fan of that at all.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 11:16 am
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    MarkSP18 said

     

    I think a small trade down in the 2nd round that gets you an extra 4th and 6th is not a bad move.

    I suppose you would have to see the players that were picked from 48 through 55.

    But that implies that the scouting is really good.

     

    I do agree about drafting players that put their foot on the ball.  Not a fan of that at all.  

    With the trend of the Vikings when it comes to the draft, if Rick trades down in the 2nd to get to his stupid 10 picks, as usual if he is targeting an olineman a run will begin at pick 48 and continue until Rick is on the clock at 56.  He will panic then and take the olineman he sees left because he really needs and wants one.  And we get the next Willie Beavers.  If the guy he wants is there at 48 pick him, it is that simple.  Why risk a trade down when we all know the Vikings do not appear to have the best scouting department.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 11:22 am
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    Any chance of them trading back into the first round?  Based on his past drafts… Rick likes his first rounds picks. 

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  • March 19, 2017 at 1:58 pm
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    Greylock said

    With the trend of the Vikings when it comes to the draft, if Rick trades down in the 2nd to get to his stupid 10 picks, as usual if he is targeting an olineman a run will begin at pick 48 and continue until Rick is on the clock at 56.  He will panic then and take the olineman he sees left because he really needs and wants one.  And we get the next Willie Beavers.  If the guy he wants is there at 48 pick him, it is that simple.  Why risk a trade down when we all know the Vikings do not appear to have the best scouting department.  

    This could be true I suppose.  But it assume that the teams from picks 48 thru picks 55 need offensive linemen (or other teams trade up) and it assumes the Vikings will draft an offensive lineman with their first pick.  I am not sure that is the case or necessary.

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  • March 19, 2017 at 6:24 pm
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    I love what Geoff does and his knowledge of the team, but I hate when he names a player that I don’t necessarily like.  Hahaha 

    great job as always Geoff! 

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  • March 19, 2017 at 11:19 pm
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    Viking Bob said
    I love what Geoff does and his knowledge of the team, but I hate when he names a player that I don’t necessarily like.  Hahaha 

    great job as always Geoff!   

    I was worried you were going to take the news on Leggett too hard :p 

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  • March 20, 2017 at 6:22 am
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    MarkSP18 said

     

    Good points but I think that this article kind of explains the rationale about having more picks.

    http://www.vox.com/2014/5/7/56…..rationally

    That’s a genius article, thanks for posting. I think the whole draft process is broken NFL-wide. The NFL is really, REALLY, shockingly bad at figuring out which college players are going to make good pro players. It shouldn’t be that hard. I don’t know whether it’s the scouts, the GMs, or maybe just too many damn people in the room, but the whole process has to be torn down, re-thought and rebuilt from the ground up. 

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  • March 20, 2017 at 6:25 am
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    Bezerker88 said
    Any chance of them trading back into the first round?  Based on his past drafts… Rick likes his first rounds picks.   

     

    There’s always a chance, but I’d put it under 5%. I think like everyone else Rick understands that the reason we don’t have a lot of depth on our OL right now is because we lost a lot of day two picks in trade-up packages. 

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  • March 20, 2017 at 7:47 am
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    NFL Draft Guru said

    I was worried you were going to take the news on Leggett too hard :p   

    I only know what I saw from him, I watched many Clemson games and he always looked pretty damn good as a receiver, found the open spot, and made positive gains after the catch…

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  • March 20, 2017 at 9:35 am
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    njvike said

    Does Richard have a “study” that PROVES 10 draft picks, regardless of WHERE they are, leads to WINNING? If so, I would LOVE to read that sucker! Are you telling me that 3 first rounders, 3 second rounders and 4 third rounders is the equal of your scenario? They both equal 10 (actually your is 11), don’t they? This is how Slick Rick deflects blame….focusing on some random number that’s EASILY attainable and ignoring the goal that is NOT easily attainable: WINNING.
      

    Maybe Spielman is in the midst of conducting that study right now. Take an NFL franchise, draft 10 players each spring – any players, draw names from a hat if you want – and see if that team turns into a contender/champion. We don’t know how much longer his study will last…it would explain some mysteries of recent Vikings drafts though, wouldn’t it?

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  • March 20, 2017 at 10:54 pm
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    Man I’m not feeling that one at all.  Elflein and Switzer are the only ones I like at all.  I’d be extremely disappointed if that is all they walk away with in a loaded draft like this.  

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  • March 21, 2017 at 9:35 am
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    A few thoughts…

    1)  Finding Joe Berger’s replacement in this draft is a MUST in my opinion.  Elflein and Pocic appear to be the only Day 1 starters at C and I think the Vikings would be wise to grab one of these guys now so they are ready to compete for a starting spot as soon as this season.  If they can win a starting job out of training camp, we could kick Berger back over to RG where he has played well in the past.

    2)  As for your next pick, I’m not sure the Vikings would pick Duke Riley…  he doesn’t seem to fit the “Zimmer profile” of long, rangy athletes that he prefers in his front 7.  I know we drafted Kendricks who is 6 foot nothing…  but his coverage ability and sure tackling sets him apart.  I could see the Vikings waiting a bit on a LB and grabbing a guy like Tyus Bowser a bit later who is just scratching the surface of his potential and has the physical attributes that Zimmer covets.

    3)  Also, I have nothing against Nico…  but I would rather grab Dorian Johnson a full round earlier with one of our 3rd round picks.  In my opinion, he is just behind Lamp as the best pass protector at OG in this draft.  Played in a pro-style offense at Pitt and has the strength, quick feet, and anchor to be a very good LG in the NFL.  I hate to shift up the line too much, but I think he could start Day 1 at LG and let us put Boone at RG.  I think that would be a better fit for both players based on their skill sets… or he could back up Boone for a season and let us move on from his big salary in 2018.

    4)  Any thoughts on Jalen Myrick?  He seems to fit the mold for what Zimmer looks for in his CBs even though he barely makes the height cut…  but he does what Zimmer wants his DBs to do and that is deny his opponent the ball.  If I remember correctly, he only allowed 39 percent of the balls thrown his way to be completed the past two years.  The best part of his game is his KR ability and it is something that will need to be replaced with Patterson in Oakland.  I would take a hard look at him on Day 3 of the draft.

    Overall, I like the positions you targeted and there has been a lot of good discussion this thread.  Thanks for posting your thoughts and responding to others!  Fun read.

    BOOM

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  • March 21, 2017 at 10:13 am
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    Wetlander said
    A few thoughts…

    1)  Finding Joe Berger’s replacement in this draft is a MUST in my opinion.  Elflein and Pocic appear to be the only Day 1 starters at C and I think the Vikings would be wise to grab one of these guys now so they are ready to compete for a starting spot as soon as this season.  If they can win a starting job out of training camp, we could kick Berger back over to RG where he has played well in the past.

    2)  As for your next pick, I’m not sure the Vikings would pick Duke Riley…  he doesn’t seem to fit the “Zimmer profile” of long, rangy athletes that he prefers in his front 7.  I know we drafted Kendricks who is 6 foot nothing…  but his coverage ability and sure tackling sets him apart.  I could see the Vikings waiting a bit on a LB and grabbing a guy like Tyus Bowser a bit later who is just scratching the surface of his potential and has the physical attributes that Zimmer covets.

    3)  Also, I have nothing against Nico…  but I would rather grab Dorian Johnson a full round earlier with one of our 3rd round picks.  In my opinion, he is just behind Lamp as the best pass protector at OG in this draft.  Played in a pro-style offense at Pitt and has the strength, quick feet, and anchor to be a very good LG in the NFL.  I hate to shift up the line too much, but I think he could start Day 1 at LG and let us put Boone at RG.  I think that would be a better fit for both players based on their skill sets… or he could back up Boone for a season and let us move on from his big salary in 2018.

    4)  Any thoughts on Jalen Myrick?  He seems to fit the mold for what Zimmer looks for in his CBs even though he barely makes the height cut…  but he does what Zimmer wants his DBs to do and that is deny his opponent the ball.  If I remember correctly, he only allowed 39 percent of the balls thrown his way to be completed the past two years.  The best part of his game is his KR ability and it is something that will need to be replaced with Patterson in Oakland.  I would take a hard look at him on Day 3 of the draft.

    Overall, I like the positions you targeted and there has been a lot of good discussion this thread.  Thanks for posting your thoughts and responding to others!  Fun read.

    BOOM  

    All good points. 

    2) I’ll give you a little push back on Riley since he fits the Vikings system if you plan on leaving him on the weakside only. You wouldn’t necessarily need someone who is going to excel in coverage down the field, but simply keeping the other teams offense in front of you. You’re right in the sense that he doesn’t have the ideal size/length, but he does fit schematically. I really like Bowser a lot but you’d be doing him a disservice in my opinion playing him on the weakside since his potential lies as a pass rushing SLB. 

    3) Agree on Dorian Johnson, he is going to go a lot earlier than people thing though. I would be more than willing to grab him with one of the 3rd round selections but he will go early on day 2. I had played with the idea of grabbing Isaac Asiata in the 3rd though. He has the potential to be a very good LG which would still allow you to flip Boone back to the right side. 

    4) Myrick would be a nice fit since he could be the kick returner while still developing at CB. I watched MN quite a bit live so I’ve seen plenty of Myrick to know he is more than a raw athlete. He has his flaws but generally plays tight coverage and ends up with some nice pass deflections. Due to his athleticism I would worry a team is going to reach for him though. 

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  • March 21, 2017 at 11:01 am
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    NFL Draft Guru said

    2) I’ll give you a little push back on Riley since he fits the Vikings system if you plan on leaving him on the weakside only. You wouldn’t necessarily need someone who is going to excel in coverage down the field, but simply keeping the other teams offense in front of you. You’re right in the sense that he doesn’t have the ideal size/length, but he does fit schematically. I really like Bowser a lot but you’d be doing him a disservice in my opinion playing him on the weakside since his potential lies as a pass rushing SLB. 
      

    On the WLB question, I also like Wetlander’s suggestion of Tyus Bowser. He might be better suited to SLB, but isn’t that the case with Edmund Robinson (who also has those length/athleticism traits), as well? If Robinson has truly continued to progress the past two years (as we heard Zimmer proclaim last preseason), is he forever stuck behind Barr?

    It feels like a weakness to sculpt a team to be too “role specific”, especially in terms of physical traits. You lose interchangeability and run the risk of not having your 2 best players on the field together. Last year, the Vikings were looking for a WR, but reportedly they wanted a specific “type” or WR, the tall “X receiver” type. Did this lead to crossing certain WRs (notably Sterling Shepard) off their list? 

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  • March 21, 2017 at 11:25 am
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    NFL Draft Guru said

    All good points. 

    2) I’ll give you a little push back on Riley since he fits the Vikings system if you plan on leaving him on the weakside only. You wouldn’t necessarily need someone who is going to excel in coverage down the field, but simply keeping the other teams offense in front of you. You’re right in the sense that he doesn’t have the ideal size/length, but he does fit schematically. I really like Bowser a lot but you’d be doing him a disservice in my opinion playing him on the weakside since his potential lies as a pass rushing SLB. 

    3) Agree on Dorian Johnson, he is going to go a lot earlier than people thing though. I would be more than willing to grab him with one of the 3rd round selections but he will go early on day 2. I had played with the idea of grabbing Isaac Asiata in the 3rd though. He has the potential to be a very good LG which would still allow you to flip Boone back to the right side. 

    4) Myrick would be a nice fit since he could be the kick returner while still developing at CB. I watched MN quite a bit live so I’ve seen plenty of Myrick to know he is more than a raw athlete. He has his flaws but generally plays tight coverage and ends up with some nice pass deflections. Due to his athleticism I would worry a team is going to reach for him though.   

    I think you’re probably right on Johnson going early than most expect…  the draftniks have him ranked as early as 53 and sometimes into the 70s depending on where you look.  If he goes in that range, he’ll be a steal on draft day.  The only thing that makes me think he could go in that range is that he is pretty much a pure OG prospect.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see more versatile guys like Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton go before him since they could play OT as well.  He’s definitely a guy I think the Vikings should look long and hard at in the draft if he still on the board late in the 2nd round…

    As far as Riley, I won’t disagree that he is a system fit…  I just don’t think WLB is such a glaring need that we need to grab one with one of our 3rd round picks.  I think Lamur and Robinson are good enough competition at that spot so I would go a different direction.

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  • March 21, 2017 at 3:08 pm
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    Wetlander said

    NFL Draft Guru said

    All good points. 

    2) I’ll give you a little push back on Riley since he fits the Vikings system if you plan on leaving him on the weakside only. You wouldn’t necessarily need someone who is going to excel in coverage down the field, but simply keeping the other teams offense in front of you. You’re right in the sense that he doesn’t have the ideal size/length, but he does fit schematically. I really like Bowser a lot but you’d be doing him a disservice in my opinion playing him on the weakside since his potential lies as a pass rushing SLB. 

    3) Agree on Dorian Johnson, he is going to go a lot earlier than people thing though. I would be more than willing to grab him with one of the 3rd round selections but he will go early on day 2. I had played with the idea of grabbing Isaac Asiata in the 3rd though. He has the potential to be a very good LG which would still allow you to flip Boone back to the right side. 

    4) Myrick would be a nice fit since he could be the kick returner while still developing at CB. I watched MN quite a bit live so I’ve seen plenty of Myrick to know he is more than a raw athlete. He has his flaws but generally plays tight coverage and ends up with some nice pass deflections. Due to his athleticism I would worry a team is going to reach for him though.   

    I think you’re probably right on Johnson going early than most expect…  the draftniks have him ranked as early as 53 and sometimes into the 70s depending on where you look.  If he goes in that range, he’ll be a steal on draft day.  The only thing that makes me think he could go in that range is that he is pretty much a pure OG prospect.  I wouldn’t be surprised to see more versatile guys like Dion Dawkins and Taylor Moton go before him since they could play OT as well.  He’s definitely a guy I think the Vikings should look long and hard at in the draft if he still on the board late in the 2nd round…

    As far as Riley, I won’t disagree that he is a system fit…  I just don’t think WLB is such a glaring need that we need to grab one with one of our 3rd round picks.  I think Lamur and Robinson are good enough competition at that spot so I would go a different direction.  

    I am actually really intrigued to see how the O-lineman end up coming off the board. It really will start in the 1st and if there is a run on OT’s that take them off the board in the late teens/early 20’s. After that I think you’re right with Moton coming off the board early in the 2nd and possible Dawkins as well. It really depends on which teams see Dawkins as an OT vs. interior O-lineman. As we get closer to the draft it will be easier to see how the runs are going to setup. I won’t disagree that Dorian Johnson wouldn’t be a good pick, I really like him as a pure guard. 

    For the OLB want vs. need talk I ultimately agree with you. Lamur and Robinson are going to head into camp as the two likely competitors. Robinson is under contract through 2018 so there is a chance he could be the solution moving forward. Lamur’s deal is up after this coming season. Not that you can’t resign him, but you need to start thinking about a backup plan as well. But I agree it isn’t a pressing need. 

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  • March 22, 2017 at 8:00 am
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    NFL Draft Guru said

    I am actually really intrigued to see how the O-lineman end up coming off the board. It really will start in the 1st and if there is a run on OT’s that take them off the board in the late teens/early 20’s. After that I think you’re right with Moton coming off the board early in the 2nd and possible Dawkins as well. It really depends on which teams see Dawkins as an OT vs. interior O-lineman. As we get closer to the draft it will be easier to see how the runs are going to setup. I won’t disagree that Dorian Johnson wouldn’t be a good pick, I really like him as a pure guard. 

    For the OLB want vs. need talk I ultimately agree with you. Lamur and Robinson are going to head into camp as the two likely competitors. Robinson is under contract through 2018 so there is a chance he could be the solution moving forward. Lamur’s deal is up after this coming season. Not that you can’t resign him, but you need to start thinking about a backup plan as well. But I agree it isn’t a pressing need.   

    OL: If teams think Dawkins can play OT – maybe even stay at LT – will he sneak into round 1?

    OLB: As I understand it, Lamur can be cut with no 2017 cap hit. He sure didn’t seem to be impressing anyone last year, so does Zimmer really think he is the guy to take Greenway’s spot (even if it is part-time)? 

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  • March 23, 2017 at 7:43 am
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    I’m not sure sure if trading down for 10 picks would be an advantage. If we was rebuilding the team it would be ok.

    But we have a pretty good team right now, quality picks would help more than just going for 10 picks where half of them picks are going to get cut anyway.

    Guru nice mock thanks!!

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