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Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?


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#1 OFFLINE   njvike

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 10:36 PM

We are ALL well aware of the fact that this year's crop of FA and draft eligible OT's was, to put it mildly, underwhelming.

But let's not lose sight of the fact that it was Spielman's mismanagement/ineptitude/dismissive approach to the offensive line the past decade that has CREATED the NEED for this panic approach. Waiting until the situation became a clusterfuck before FINALLY addressing the situation when the available talent is dubious is on HIM. It's not the result of powers beyond his control.... he has reaped what he has sown.

Applauding his efforts in replacing poor OT's with slightly less poor OT's (but at a much higher salary), is akin to applauding BP for their efforts in cleaning up that little spill in the Gulf Coast. ( I kid, we all know the Vikings offensive line is waaay more important than some silly little environmental disaster!)

That being said, the RESULTS will ultimately determine the success or failure of these moves. If the Vikings WIN this season and can actually manage to win a couple of PLAYOFF games for a change, I will gladly give Ricky his prop's. But until that happens in REALITY, I will continue to judge RS on his ACTUAL record....@ .500 regular season and 1 playoff win in 11 seasons at the helm of personnel. Not good enough, and he has now ( thankfully) run out of scapegoats.

I truly hope the R&R tandem can solidify the OL, but having been in Charlotte the past 12 years and seeing Reemers in action, in addition to listening to the local talking heads (including Frank Garcia, former Panther OG), I have minimal expectations for him to significantly upgrade the RT position.

The fact that Reiff was replaced at LT and then discarded for Wagner after assuming the RT slot for the Lions speaks volumes to me. I pay more attention to what teams DO than what they (or some random fan site) SAYS. Detroit sure didn't think highly of him after 4 years of service, based on their ACTIONS. Does that mean he won't be good for the Vikes? No. But is it a reasonable cause for concern? Yes it is.

I realize some might consider me repetitive, but the CORE problem with the Vikings the past 40 years has been the lack of talent in key positions to match up with the true contenders at any given time period since the late 1970's. There is nothing I have seen in the current FO and scouting departments that lead me to believe anything has changed. Certainly nothing tangible, like playoff success.

It just seemed to me that yet another chapter in the "Ricky Can't Be Blamed" bible is already being written, already absolving him of the possible poor results of these signings. Let's please all remember that this mess is his creation, and he should only be judged by the results in rectifying it, not the resources he had at his disposal to do so.

Peace and SKOL.

Ricky Schpielman has now been in charge of Scouting and Player Personnel for 11 SEASONS and STILL has only ONE Favre-led playoff win to show for it. He's on his THIRD Head Coach (I've lost count of how many coordinators and assistant coaches) and the results have remained the SAME. You're FINALLY out of SCAPEGOATS, RICKY!! You gotta GO!!!


#2 OFFLINE   NodakViking Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 10:47 PM

OCD much?

 

:rolleyes: 


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#3 OFFLINE   A1Janitor Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:08 PM

Mods can we pin this.

After next year's Viking misery, he can just edit it and keep it growing.

Because as a Viking fan - I love being reminded that we suck. :Devil:
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#4 OFFLINE   njvike Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:08 PM

OCD much?
 
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Brilliant reply. Typical for a Spielman sycophant....ignore the content of my post and make a juvenile, smarmy ass comment. Kudos. Maybe Mommy will let you have an extra juice box before bedtime, that is if you've conquered that bed wetting problem.

Care to dispute anything that I have said? Of course you can't, because everything in my OP is FACT.

Teams can't WIN without quality personnel throughout the roster, and teams can't get enough quality personnel at the necessary positions without a good personnel department. Simple....like your mind.

Ricky Schpielman has now been in charge of Scouting and Player Personnel for 11 SEASONS and STILL has only ONE Favre-led playoff win to show for it. He's on his THIRD Head Coach (I've lost count of how many coordinators and assistant coaches) and the results have remained the SAME. You're FINALLY out of SCAPEGOATS, RICKY!! You gotta GO!!!


#5 OFFLINE   Ponifan Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:12 PM

Brilliant reply. Typical for a Spielman sycophant....ignore the content of my post and make a juvenile, smarmy ass comment. Kudos. Maybe Mommy will let you have an extra juice box before bedtime, that is if you've conquered that bed wetting problem.

Care to dispute anything that I have said? Of course you can't, because everything in my OP is FACT.

 

LOL!



#6 OFFLINE   njvike Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:14 PM

Mods can we pin this.
After next year's Viking misery, he can just edit it and keep it growing.
Because as a Viking fan - I love being reminded that we suck. :Devil:


LOL!!! Yeah, and I LOVE hearing "Wait till NEXT year" every January!

Please DO pin it. If certainly hate to miss the opportunity to applaud St Ricky if the Vikings can win a couple of playoff games for the first time since the 1987 season. I'm also not a big "I told you so" guy, so having it pinned would be awesome!

Thanks for the suggestion!

Ricky Schpielman has now been in charge of Scouting and Player Personnel for 11 SEASONS and STILL has only ONE Favre-led playoff win to show for it. He's on his THIRD Head Coach (I've lost count of how many coordinators and assistant coaches) and the results have remained the SAME. You're FINALLY out of SCAPEGOATS, RICKY!! You gotta GO!!!


#7 OFFLINE   Havoc1649 Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 11 March 2017 - 11:17 PM

Alright that's enough of the petty stuff guys, you're both above it.

In relation to the topic, people have been jacking up Spielman the last few days on here. Certainly far more than defending. I've read multiple calls for his job even after he brought the very average tackles in. Honest assessment, the guys job is on the line. He simply hasn't been good enough. Injuries happen, guys don't meet expectations etc, but at the end of the day he has to provide the best personnel possible to win and has not done so when it comes to the OL.
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#8 OFFLINE   shreksvikes Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 05:16 AM

There are only so many ways that you can say the same thing over and over again. Everybody knows that njvike doesnt like Spielman at all and wants his tenure to end. Its the beating of the dead horse syndrome. And if someone dares to defend Spielman the attacks come.
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#9 OFFLINE   JimmyinSD Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 06:42 AM

Can we please stop beating the dead horse?
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#10 OFFLINE   Minny65 Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:33 AM

Can we please stop beating the dead horse?

 

This is well beyond beating a dead horse.

 

The horse has been dead, the head delivered to Spelly's home, NJ has a horse leather jacket, the hair he used to make a rope swing for his kids. The hooves have been made into glue for school projects but they just ran out...time to beat another dead horse!


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#11 OFFLINE   JimmyinSD Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 07:40 AM

This is well beyond beating a dead horse.

 

The horse has been dead, the head delivered to Spelly's home, NJ has a horse leather jacket, the hair he used to make a rope swing for his kids. The hooves have been made into glue for school projects but they just ran out...time to beat another dead horse!

 

I am amazed that PETA hasnt picketed his computer.


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#12 OFFLINE   Minny65 Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 08:05 AM

I am amazed that PETA hasnt picketed his computer.

 

 I work for PETA and this was the police report that Spelly gave to the PETA police.

 

In the report Spelly said:

 

"I had just finished reading a report from an armchair GM from New Jersey.  The guy is actually a sanitation engineer who really knows his shite.  Anyway, I was ready to go to bed and had visions of uninjured OL dancing in my head...then, at the top of the bed I saw a horse head.   I thought one of my 20 adopted kids was playing a prank but no.... it was my sanitation engineer friend in NJ.  He is a hoot but he really should not have beat the horse to death like that.  I am not sure where all his anger comes from, could it be GM envy???  I will pray for him and for some peace and balance in his life for something that should be entertainment"

 

I will post the rest of the police statement at a latter time!


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#13 OFFLINE   MarkSP18 Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 11:03 AM

There are a lot of good points here and I cannot dispute a lot of what was posted.

 

I realize that often times fans only want to read how good the team has done in free agency or the draft and how that is going to translate to wins.

 

I mean, who wants to read negative stuff?

 

But the recent success of the team while on the way up (or was until the injuries last year) has not been that great.

 

They do need to get to the playoffs on a regular basis and win some playoff games too.

 

 

Now the Lions have signed TJ Lang too!

 

They beat the Vikings out for Wagner and now are getting Lang.

 

Meanwhile we are apparently settling for Berger or Sirles or some rookie.

 

 

Also, the Vikings were desperately trying to re-sign Kalil too.  Just think about that for a minute.

 

If not for the Panthers being more desperate the Vikings may have ended up with Kalil on a 10 mil per year average contract.

 

That would have not sit well with probably the majority of the fans.

 

 

In the end, it is disappointing to read the Vikings being interested in top players only to lose them to another team and then have to settle for their second choice.


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#14 OFFLINE   Kentis Re: Can we PLEASE stop with the, "He did the best he could do" schpiel?

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 12:37 PM

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Sorry Trigger, I just can't stop... :P
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 12:49 PM

njvike, while many are frustrated with this team you've been beating this dead horse for months or years. You're not the Wilfs so you can't fire him. You are VERY limited as to what you can do.

1. Change teams. Happens quite often actually. They're called band wagon jumpers. Maybe the Patriots would suit you. They're near you.
2. Find another hobby/interest to follow.
3. Accept it and quit bitching as there is NOTHING you can about it. Don't let it stress you out to much. Life is to short. :) Smile more.
I enjoy a good three some. RIBS, BRISKET, and ME.

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 01:07 PM

There are only so many ways that you can say the same thing over and over again. Everybody knows that njvike doesnt like Spielman at all and wants his tenure to end. Its the beating of the dead horse syndrome. And if someone dares to defend Spielman the attacks come.

 

 

Look at this thread and decide if that's what really happened. Looks like the exact opposite happened. NJVike professed his dislike for Spielman and EVERYONE piled on him for expressing his opinion.

 

Even an 18 post noob decided to get in on the fun.

 

Classy bunch.



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Posted 12 March 2017 - 01:18 PM

Look at this thread and decide if that's what really happened. Looks like the exact opposite happened. NJVike professed his dislike for Spielman and EVERYONE piled on him for expressing his opinion.
 
Even an 18 post noob decided to get in on the fun.
 
Classy bunch.


Maybe if that was a new take and not one that the OP has stated in countless threads, countless times in the past. I guess those of us that commented didn't see the need for a dedicated thread to say the same thing once again.

Stay classy yourself though, the low road is to crowded already.
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Posted 12 March 2017 - 01:23 PM

Look at this thread and decide if that's what really happened. Looks like the exact opposite happened. NJVike professed his dislike for Spielman and EVERYONE piled on him for expressing his opinion.
 
Even an 18 post noob decided to get in on the fun.
 
Classy bunch.


The 18 post noob wrote a fantastic post imo.

Show me where I piled on him. Or edit "EVERYONE".

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Posted 12 March 2017 - 01:30 PM

NJVike is being consistent in his message. Yes, it's predictable, but as C-10 noted, the vast majority of people here piled on him and stood up to defend Spielman. You may feel he is repetitive, but overall the critiques of this team are in the minority among all the "Man are we awesome!" posts.

 

Re FA, my dissatisfaction is that so many fans rationalize the marginal addition of talent by saying things like, "We're being smart, all these teams signing guys are stupid", or, worse yet, "We're sticking to our plan". But how can the Vikings claim to be smarter than other teams, when we have no championships and only rarely even contend? Why should we consider any traditional "plan" to be a good one?

 

I think fandom can and should involve expecting the best performance possible from our team. I realize a lot of people prefer to hear positivity...sometimes I think we need a "sing to the choir" board exclusively for happy thoughts.


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Posted 12 March 2017 - 01:33 PM

Let's hear your plan, what were your moves? Your shtick is weak.

We are ALL well aware of the fact that this year's crop of FA and draft eligible OT's was, to put it mildly, underwhelming.
But let's not lose sight of the fact that it was Spielman's mismanagement/ineptitude/dismissive approach to the offensive line the past decade that has CREATED the NEED for this panic approach. Waiting until the situation became a clusterfuck before FINALLY addressing the situation when the available talent is dubious is on HIM. It's not the result of powers beyond his control.... he has reaped what he has sown.
Applauding his efforts in replacing poor OT's with slightly less poor OT's (but at a much higher salary), is akin to applauding BP for their efforts in cleaning up that little spill in the Gulf Coast. ( I kid, we all know the Vikings offensive line is waaay more important than some silly little environmental disaster!)
That being said, the RESULTS will ultimately determine the success or failure of these moves. If the Vikings WIN this season and can actually manage to win a couple of PLAYOFF games for a change, I will gladly give Ricky his prop's. But until that happens in REALITY, I will continue to judge RS on his ACTUAL record....@ .500 regular season and 1 playoff win in 11 seasons at the helm of personnel. Not good enough, and he has now ( thankfully) run out of scapegoats.
I truly hope the R&R tandem can solidify the OL, but having been in Charlotte the past 12 years and seeing Reemers in action, in addition to listening to the local talking heads (including Frank Garcia, former Panther OG), I have minimal expectations for him to significantly upgrade the RT position.
The fact that Reiff was replaced at LT and then discarded for Wagner after assuming the RT slot for the Lions speaks volumes to me. I pay more attention to what teams DO than what they (or some random fan site) SAYS. Detroit sure didn't think highly of him after 4 years of service, based on their ACTIONS. Does that mean he won't be good for the Vikes? No. But is it a reasonable cause for concern? Yes it is.
I realize some might consider me repetitive, but the CORE problem with the Vikings the past 40 years has been the lack of talent in key positions to match up with the true contenders at any given time period since the late 1970's. There is nothing I have seen in the current FO and scouting departments that lead me to believe anything has changed. Certainly nothing tangible, like playoff success.
It just seemed to me that yet another chapter in the "Ricky Can't Be Blamed" bible is already being written, already absolving him of the possible poor results of these signings. Let's please all remember that this mess is his creation, and he should only be judged by the results in rectifying it, not the resources he had at his disposal to do so.
Peace and SKOL.


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